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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by teekert »

NilMostChill wrote: post #286
teekert wrote: post #232

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Sure, I agree with you, it just depends on what you want HN to be. I am an outsider to the US, I see your country as deeply divided. Families torn apart because of how they vote. Unthinkable here, probably unthinkable over there up until 10 years ago. In fact it seems more and more likely the US will erupt in a civil war, and split in 2. It just such a shame that HN, what I see as a gathering ground of intelligent pe…

I disagree with almost all of that. I'm not sure I've said anything that would indicate that i am , but I'm not from the US. > Families torn apart because of how they vote That's reductive in my opinion, I'd consider it a misrepresentation of the situation, at best. Given your other comments i'd lean towards it being intentional misrepresentation, but i could be wrong, either way i doubt we'll come to an understandin…

Thank you for your thoughtful reply, I enjoyed reading it and I see your points. I’ll try to incorporate them into my thinking.

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Post by refurb »

namaria wrote: post #298
refurb wrote: post #260

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I don’t think people who rabidly hate Elon realize not how much it says about Elon, but how much it says about them . Don't like Elon’s politics? Thats reasonable. Don’t like his approach to business? That’s reasonable. Oddly twist everything to paint an evil supervillain? Oddly extend that “evil” to others who fail to condemn him the same way? Oddly spend hours and hours online arguing with people about Elon with ot…

Why do you care if people hate some weird rich dude?

I don't really care that much.

Only enough to comment on HN which is a very low bar in terms of caring.

Same level of caring as highlighting an interesting source of data, or commenting on some current news.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by penjelly »

sshine wrote: post #221
musikele wrote: post #165

Let's remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him, but I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. Everything worked out of the box. Just one piece of hardware started to fail (the charger plug making some noise) and they changed it in warranty. First: has the author tried a tesla before buying one? I'd never buy a car without trying it. Because comparing it to a Clio just be…

Same experience with my 2022 Model Y: Have yet not had a single problem for two years. Surely the problem lies in a high variance in the production of later models. Like when you visit a stellar restaurant and come back years later to realize the magic sauce was a chef who left. Also, yes, it sounds risky to buy a car without being able to drive it back when it immediately breaks. I can also see myself as a victim of…

it's a known problem with 2024 models, the article points to that. So while tesla may be aware of it, the public unconscious might not be (like the author wasn't), as its a new-ish, and frankly absurd problem to have.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by decimalenough »

prmoustache wrote: post #339
rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #267

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Would you trust Consumer Reports? Tesla is the #3 after BMW and Rivian, among brands "ranked on the average percentage of owners who said in CR member surveys that they would buy the same vehicle again." https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s... And second most reliable https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...

Reports can vary depending of the duration of the reliability period. A while ago we saw here on HN a report from Danish mandatory technical inspection that showed that Model 3 were failing inspection much more than other EVs. Reliability is a bit vague, it also depends on your mode of purchase (new, second hand) and how long you plan to keep your vehicle. People who only lease cars and swap them every 4 years need a…

Nobody's complaining about the reliability of 20-year-old Teslas because the first Model S rolled off the assembly line in 2012. (Yes, I know, Roadsters are older, but they're modded Lotus Elises.)

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Post by Stevvo »

michaelt wrote: post #333
yreg wrote: post #154

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> who buys a car brand in a country that doesn't even have a dealership? I too have bought a TM3 in Slovakia. The closest Tesla service center to Bratislava is 50 kilometers away, in Vienna. What's the problem with not having a branch here as well?

If the purchase goes well, the vehicle is reliable, spare parts are easily available, and nobody has to resort to legal action? No problem. On the other hand, if I buy a car in Holland, get it serviced in Austria, and register and drive it in Slovakia - which legal system governs the transaction? Which country's consumer rights protections do I get? It would be jolly inconvenient if the manufacturer ripped me off, an…

The EU is a single market. The consumer protections are much the same between countries. The differences are less than those between US states.

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Post by yourusername »

cess11 wrote: post #120
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

I spent 2 * 1 hours in a 'fresh' car some time ago, it was a nasty experience. It had all these 'backseat driver' functions, like trying to figure out and then misjudging somehow what the speed limit currently was or trying to influence where on the road I place the car, as if it could know better than I do what would be appropriate. The 'lane assist' was just absurdly awful, it only figured out where the car was som…

>like trying to figure out and then misjudging somehow what the speed limit currently was or trying to influence where on the road I place the car, as if it could know better than I do what would be appropriate.

These "features" are now mandatory in the EU so you can look forward to a lot more cars implementing them as they try to sell global cars.

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Post by fouc »

dan-robertson wrote: post #334
voidUpdate wrote: post #226

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If I was to buy a car these days (which I'm not, I don't have nearly enough money for that), I'd want something with as little "computer" in it as possible. Just a box with 4 wheels and an engine, or maybe a battery and a motor, maybe a heater for when it gets a bit cold, and I'll throw a bluetooth speaker in the back seat if I need something to listen to

Just to note the trade-off here: modern cars are much safer in crashes than even cars from ~20 years ago, and the less computer you want, the further back in time you need to go to find suitable cars. There are nuances to the safety thing: some brands were/are safer, more popular car designs today tend to have some features that may worsen safety (taller cars are less stable, heavier cars handle worse, big heavy cars…

[citation required]

I wonder if there's even any citations that can directly show that a 2024 car is "much" safer than a 2004 car. Without relying on NHTSA's safety rating system, which is an indirect proxy at most (and probably has changed multiple times for "reasons"). And without being confounded by changes in regulatory measures.

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Post by misja111 »

refurb wrote: post #273
misja111 wrote: post #8

Tesla sales are plummeting all over the world currently, also in the US. But with Musk in the US government, I wonder how long it will take before there will be tariffs on foreign cars big enough to pretty much force US citizens to buy his Tesla's.

> Tesla sales are plummeting all over the world Uhhh...he's selling 5x as many cars than than when Covid hit and nearly the peak of sales...ever? https://cnevpost.com/2025/01/02/tesla-global-deliveries-q4-2...

Sure, if you look back long enough you will eventually manage to find an increase in sales. But most people look at month-over-month or year-over-year figures, and those are terrible. See e.g. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/tesla-sales-plummeting-early...

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Post by roelschroeven »

AndrewDavis wrote: post #219

I've been contemplating buying a new car. BYD are a popular brand for electric cars in Australia. A single titbit in a review turned me off[1]. > To start with, the Dolphin falls victim to a speed limit warning system with no tolerance and a chiding beep that will quickly drive you insane. The car has cameras to read speed signs and if it detects you are speeding beep at you. Sounds like a great feature! What's the p…

> The car has cameras to read speed signs and if it detects you are speeding beep at you. Sounds like a great feature! What's the problem if you aren't speeding?

If it's anything like the speed limit warning system in my Volvo, it's utterly useless. It gets the speed limit right about 80% of the time I would say. The other 20% it sees a sign "max 5 ton allowed" and thinks it means "max 5 kph", or it sees a sign in a side street and thinks it applies on the main street. Or a speed limit ends at a crossroad, which the system doesn't understand. The system often thinks the speed limit is 30 kph where it's actually 50 kph which is annoying; sometimes it thinks the limit is 90 or even 120 where it's only 50 or 70 which is outright dangerous.

The system is not to be trusted at all. There suggestions to make laws that would require cars to enforce these limits, instead of just showing the limits and warnings. I'm not against that in principle, but those systems need to get a lot better than the one in my Volvo first.

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