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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by grepfru_it »

hackyhacky wrote: post #339
eastbound wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Trump and the Republicans are very much in favor of checking facts. It is the opposite of censorship: Expose everything. You know that you're writing this in a post about how the current Republican administration has been scrubbing massive amounts of scientific data from government websites, right? I don't see how Greenpeace is at all relevant here.

I'm not saying this is right, but after every party change everything on the government websites change and links/data disappear. This is not limited to this one election, we just happen to notice it now because someone brought it up. Kinda like small chips on your car's windshield.

Notice how things like eg the federal reserve data does not disappear because it is protected by legislation. We should be asking not why is it disappearing, but why didn't we enshrine preservation of data in law?

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by [deleted] »

seabass-labrax wrote: post #315
vitus wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possibly a reference to the fake electors plot [0], although there was also the phone call to the Georgia secretary of state asking him to find 11,780 more votes [1], the pressure he applied to his VP to reject the election results [2], the subsequent Jan 6 riot that disrupted the certification... At least some of these were covered by BBC [3, 4]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot [1] https:/…

Thank you, vitus!

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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by NewJazz »

SeptiumMMX wrote: post #328
mcmcmc wrote: post #303

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Having two parties with opposing biases and incentives doesn’t magically cancel out and become impartial. That’s the opposite of impartiality.

That's the problem. Real humans in real world cannot be impartial and will always have biases. So if you expose the public to many different biased opinions and let them learn to recognize the biases and see past them, the "cumulative mindset" will be more objective and less prone to manipulation. But if you let one biased group decide what the majority is allowed to see, the public opinion will inevitably align with…

That's a whole lot of conjecture.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by hackyhacky »

grepfru_it wrote: post #351
hackyhacky wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trump and the Republicans are very much in favor of checking facts. It is the opposite of censorship: Expose everything. You know that you're writing this in a post about how the current Republican administration has been scrubbing massive amounts of scientific data from government websites, right? I don't see how Greenpeace is at all relevant here.

I'm not saying this is right, but after every party change everything on the government websites change and links/data disappear. This is not limited to this one election, we just happen to notice it now because someone brought it up. Kinda like small chips on your car's windshield. Notice how things like eg the federal reserve data does not disappear because it is protected by legislation. We should be asking not wh…

False equivalence. This is not some cosmetic change. No administration has ever done a bulk removal of scientific data from all government websites solely because it conflicts with their policy goals.

This removal expresses not just a differing policy but a contempt for facts themselves.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by kentm »

vitus wrote: post #293
seabass-labrax wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that Trump was something of a bad loser when Biden was elected, and that he encouraged the riots on Capitol Hill, but I had not heard (from the media media here in Britain) that he attempted to rig the election. Could you provide a source for this please?

Possibly a reference to the fake electors plot [0], although there was also the phone call to the Georgia secretary of state asking him to find 11,780 more votes [1], the pressure he applied to his VP to reject the election results [2], the subsequent Jan 6 riot that disrupted the certification... At least some of these were covered by BBC [3, 4]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot [1] https:/…

He also tried to get the DoJ to label the election as suspicious. Don’t have an immediate reference for that but it was surfaced by the Jan 6 committee.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by honestSysAdmin »

Drakim wrote: post #272
lemon_zest wrote: post #267

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What is the argument you are trying to make?

Most likely some sort of "liberals get things wrong too, so you shouldn't criticize Trump for lying so much".

A vicious hoax campaign is not merely "getting things wrong" tho.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by arunabha »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #60
Tyrubias wrote: post #3

It’s terrifying that data US taxpayers paid for, collected and analyzed in the name of public health, can be removed on a whim. While there are a lot of efforts to archive said data, it would still make it unavailable to Americans who are not tech savvy. Unfortunately, that seems to be the idea, I think.

Isn't this data already inaccessible to those who are not tech savvy? My grandma isn’t visiting any of the data download sites provided by the federal government. She doesn’t even know why she would, or even that such data is available. And if I provide it to her, she hasn’t the skills to do anything with it.

Agreed that your grandma is unlikely to access the data directly, however that doesn't imply she is not affected by it's removal. As others have noted, professionals your grandma almost certainly depends upon(doctors for example) rely on the data.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by grepfru_it »

hackyhacky wrote: post #354
grepfru_it wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying this is right, but after every party change everything on the government websites change and links/data disappear. This is not limited to this one election, we just happen to notice it now because someone brought it up. Kinda like small chips on your car's windshield. Notice how things like eg the federal reserve data does not disappear because it is protected by legislation. We should be asking not wh…

False equivalence. This is not some cosmetic change. No administration has ever done a bulk removal of scientific data from all government websites solely because it conflicts with their policy goals. This removal expresses not just a differing policy but a contempt for facts themselves.

When Bush took office all of the data about climate change disappeared from government websites. So this is not a post about false equivalence but a question why the previous party did not protect this specific data like other government agencies. I think the answer to that question is more nuanced than we may like to believe

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by hackyhacky »

eastbound wrote: post #329
SeptiumMMX wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, fact-checking works if it's done impartially. So, if you want to fairly fact-check a political debate, each side should have their own team of researchers/fact-checkers being equally able to object to an argument made by the opposing party. Due process, sort of, kind of. But I don't think I've ever seen that done actually. Usually, fact checkers are akin to Reddit moderators. Technically independent, but with o…

The fact checkers’ own employer said that the fact checkers didn’t work because they were so heavily biased that the audience noticed it.

Translation: the audience is so biased that they automatically reject facts in conflict with their biases.
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