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> surveys indicated that an overwhelming majority of residents of Gaza supported Hamas Come on, nearly half of the inhabitants of Gaza are/were under 18. "Surveys" cannot make collective punishment legal, or annexation and ethnic cleansing for that matter. I'd say outright cutting off a whole population from food and going on TV to rant about how even the babies are terrorists isn't self-defense or security. If anyth…

I mentioned the surveys to indicate the complicity of the civilian population in Hamas’s actions. Often people claim the residents of Gaza didn’t vote for Hamas since the last election was in 2006. But the surveys reveal that most of them do support them and their religious terrorism.

> "Surveys" cannot make collective punishment legal, or annexation and ethnic cleansing for that matter.

What do you mean by annexation given that the entire region, including Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza were occupied by Jewish people long before Islamic Arabs were in the area?

What do you mean by ethnic cleansing given that Gaza’s population has grown rapidly over time, given Israel announces targets ahead of time, and given that most of Gaza’s residents still live? Israel could level all of Gaza but they haven’t done anything even remotely close to that. Even the highest claimed counts of deaths in Gaza would amount to a couple percent of the population. That doesn’t seem very successful for an ethnic cleansing.

> outright cutting off a whole population from food

Food and aid which Hamas stole and sold for money to fund terrorism to kill Israelis, all aided by UNRWA.

> Each person is responsible for their actions.

Right and Hamas was voted in by everyday people and still has their broad support despite terrorism, murder, and rape.

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I can understand your argument, but I also understand why the US would try to ban an oppressive regime who specifically use technology like AI for ubiquitous surveillance, behavior monitoring and social credit, facial recognition systems that can identify Uyghurs and alert authorities, internet monitoring (they arrest people every day for writing banned words on WeChat for example)... I think it's probably fine if th…

Sorry for the whataboutism, but the US looks more and more hypocrite when they sell themselves as the paragons of democracy and free trade, ready to save the world from authoritarian China but are fine selling AI and AI hardware (and armament, but that's another matter...) to Israel's oppressive regime which clearly uses it to persecute and kill innocent Palestinians. It's all just dirty politics, in the end none of…

I think the difference in your comment is that China is doing this to their own citizens. Israel is oppressing their enemy, who have voted for Hamas to be the leader of their government, which stated intent is to destroy Israel... Big difference.

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>against Uyghur Muslims Against Islamic fundmentalist terrorism commited by Uyghur extremist. Rotating a bunch of Uyghurs through a few months of "reeducation/reradicalization" classes with minimal fatalities and pouring billions to improve regional infra + gdp is orders of magnitude more magnanimous than what happened/is happening in Gaza, or what's left it. It's delulu to think otherwise. It's more kids gloves than…

Annexation by a violent dictatorship, cultural suppression, forced reeducation of hundreds of thousands of children separated from their parents, forced sterilizations, forced abortions, labor camps, and large number of deaths isn’t magnanimous. It’s genocide under international law. It is wild that you’re even defending this. > PRC has successfully implemented securitization technology Is that the best euphemism you…

It absolutely does not qualify as genocide. Hence it's never been categorized as genocide by UN, unless you subscribe to Mike Pompeo's version international law. UN already recognize XJ as PRC, annexation is over, it's fully incorporated and legally part of soverign PRC soil for decades. There's more Uyghurs now then when campaign started (and ended)... at most it's cultural genocide, which unfortunately (or fortunately for everyone including west) ... is internationally permissible (no law against). Frankly some overdue cultural genocide to eliminate fundmentalism on 1% population to end decades of fundmental islamic terrorism is completely justifiable. It would be downright negligent and immoral not to, certainly more ethical than what US or ISR methods which you seem to play down.

There aren't 100,000s children seperation. Parents rotate through reeducation for a few months, temporary seperation in interim, family reunited after. Entire program lasted ~4 years, even if you take peak US propaganda, 1/12 of Uyghurs is roughly life time internment for US blacks, except US minorities will end up up rotating through prison industrial complex for longer. Flip side of PRC enforcing family planning on previously exempt minorities is US banning abortions. No labour camps, just very generous rural labour transfer programs where they make multiple times current income. It's like if US had a jobs program that gave bottom quantile 50th percentile wages. Nor large number of deaths... barely any. Even peak retarded US propaganda doesn't pretend so. So yes, compared to Israel or US military actions, it's downright magnanimous.

>euphemism

It's not euphism, it's "safe city" technology, i.e. huawei surveillance for export. And countries are buying. Because you know, it's better than mowing the lawn with bombs, or spending a decade trying doing whatever the fuck GWOT was failing at that just ended up with (conservatively) 100,000s of dead muslims.

> having military or economic ties distorting

Except MENA has much closer military and economic ties with US... yet they still overwhelmingly side with PRC narrative over XJ. Entire excuse MENA leaders in PRC pocket is economically illiterate and geopolitcly stupid. There's isn't a quote of Arab leaders supporting genocide of Uyghurs, because none of them except occasionally Turkey recognize is Genocide. They recognize XJ securitization as deradicalization and antiterrorism effort, which it is, because it stopped both. And they endorse it, because they have most to gain from working deradicalization efforts. Which US does not have model for. Nor Israel. Well maybe Israel if they just keep murdering kids every few leap years.

>thousands of times worse and larger

My guy if you think US only responsible for a few drones, and Israel killed less Muslisms that PRC did in XJ, or if you think top is worse than bottom in pic below then you have some screws loose. Ultimately PRC did what US failed, fraction of the cost, and fraction of the lives, while adding 12x Afghan GDP per capita. Thinking that's 1000s worse and larger is delulu American math.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBEy7HyaUAA3V7c.jpg

Let's just say if to Obama who got Nobel Peace prize trying to bring peace in the middle east, then Xi and Chen deserves 10.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-announces-... > The Department of Justice today announced the revision of its policy regarding charging violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA). The policy for the first time directs that good-faith security research should not be charged. Good faith security research means accessing a computer solely for purposes of good-faith testing, investigation, an…

AIUI "policy" is not "law," and are subject to the whims of the current leadership in the DoJ Then again, it's my opinion that "law" isn't "law" if one has enough lawyers

You're correct, this is not so black and white as you originally established. Glad you came around!

And yes, it's posturing if you wax on from such a pedestal without even reading the first paragraph of the article, which addresses your legitimate concerns.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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This is probably an incredibly stupid, off-topic question, but why are their database schemas and logs in English? Like, when a DeepSeek dev uses these systems as intended, would they also be seeing the columns, keys, etc. in English? Is there usually a translation step involved? Or do devs around the world just have to bite the bullet and learn enough English to be able to use the majority of tools? I'm realizing no…

> Or do devs around the world just have to bite the bullet and learn enough English to be able to use the majority of tools? That is precisely what happens. It is not unusual for code and databases to be written in English, even when the developers are from a non-English speaking country. Think about it: the toolchain, programming language and libraries are all based on English anyway.

I have worked in a couple places where some of the code was not in English, and it was incredibly annoying, like an affectation.

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It might seem less credible to encounter English in a place where it’s less expected, but think of it this way: would a Yandex-developed ClickHouse database be adopted by Chinese devs if everything in it were written in Russian? There is some merit in asking your question, for there’s an unspoken rule (and a source of endless frustration) that business-/domain-related terms should remain in the language of their orig…

In the wild I've seen a company returning a JSON key "ankunftTime" in one of their APIs

Google tells me that "ankunft" means arrival in German. Is that correct?

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Our US company sent me to France to help out with an implementation. The guy I worked with spoke very little English and my French is terrible. Both of us had done Latin, however - so the comments were hilarious as we used that as our common link. One of those projects I'd expect to show on the daily WTF at some point. I did try my hand at a translation tool, as it was all i18n up proper. Watched one guy blow coffee…

Isn't it true that schoolboys in many countries would learn Latin 100+ years ago? I suppose it would've been used sometimes in international communication?

100+ years is still pretty recent. The immediate predecessor to English as a world language was French. Matter of fact, my country has only dropped French translations from its passport with the most recent design update a decade ago or so.

Latin would have been used pre-Renaissance. Our grandparents might have still had to learn it as a part of an educated person's toolkit, but it was long not intended for communication anymore back then.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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This is probably an incredibly stupid, off-topic question, but why are their database schemas and logs in English? Like, when a DeepSeek dev uses these systems as intended, would they also be seeing the columns, keys, etc. in English? Is there usually a translation step involved? Or do devs around the world just have to bite the bullet and learn enough English to be able to use the majority of tools? I'm realizing no…

Because DeepSeek researchers are Elite, English is like very very easy and common for top Chinese students. They just use it, and feel nothing wrong about it.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our US company sent me to France to help out with an implementation. The guy I worked with spoke very little English and my French is terrible. Both of us had done Latin, however - so the comments were hilarious as we used that as our common link. One of those projects I'd expect to show on the daily WTF at some point. I did try my hand at a translation tool, as it was all i18n up proper. Watched one guy blow coffee…

Isn't it true that schoolboys in many countries would learn Latin 100+ years ago? I suppose it would've been used sometimes in international communication?

I was offered it in the 90s in school.
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