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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Any clues to how they plan to invest $500 billion dollars? What infrastructure are they planning that will cost that much?

I'll make a wild guess that they will be building data centers and maybe robotic labs. They are starting with 100B of committed by mostly Softbank, but probably not transacted yet, money. > building new AI infrastructure for OpenAI in the United States The carrot is probably something like - we will build enough compute to make a supper intelligence that will solve all the problems, ???, profit.

If we look at the processing requirements in nature, I think that the main trend in AI going forward is going to be doing more with less, not doing less with more, as the current scaling is going.

Thermodynamic neural networks may also basically turn everything on its ear, especially if we figure out how to scale them like NAND flash.

If anything, I would estimate that this is a space-race type effort to “win” the AI “wars”. In the short term, it might work. In the long term, it’s probably going to result in a massive glut in accelerated data center capacity.

The trend of technology is towards doing better than natural processes, not doing it 100000x less efficiently. I don’t think AI will be an exception.

If we look at what is -theoretically- possible using thermodynamic wells, with current model architectures, for instance, we could (theoretically) make a network that applies 1t parameters in something like 1cm2. It would use about 20watts, back of the napkin, and be able to generate a few thousand T/S.

Operational thermodynamic wells have already been demonstrated en silica. There are scaling challenges, cooling requirements, etc but AFAIK no theoretical roadblocks to scaling.

Obviously, the theoretical doesn’t translate to results, but it does correlate strongly with the trend.

So the real question is, what can we build that can only be done if there are hundreds of millions of NVIDIA GPUs sitting around idle in ten years? Or alternatively, if those systems are depreciated and available on secondary markets?

What does that look like?

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Where are they getting the $500B? Softbank's market cap is 84b and their entire vision fund is only $100b, Oracle only has $11b cash on hand, OpenAI's only raised $17b total...

Softbank is being granted a block of TRUMP MEMES, the price of which will skyrocket when they are included in the bucket of crypto assets purchased as part of the crypto reserve.

how I wish that was a joke...

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Softbank is being granted a block of TRUMP MEMES, the price of which will skyrocket when they are included in the bucket of crypto assets purchased as part of the crypto reserve.

Altman is pivoting from WorldCoin to TrumpCoin - your retina will shortly be wired into the fascist meme-o-verse.

It's actually wireless, via 5G as part of the AI designed MRNA vaccine.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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You have to keep in mind Microsoft is planning on spending almost 100B in datacenter capex this year and they're not alone. This is basically OpenAI matching the major cloud provider's spending. This could also be (at least partly) a reaction to Microsoft threatening to pull OpenAI's cloud credits last year. OpenAI wants to maintain independence and with compute accounting for 25–50% of their expenses (currently) [2]…

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I'm not sure that's how capitalism works.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Why are corporations announcing business deals from the White House? There doesn’t seem to be any public ownership/benefit here, aside from potential job creation. Which could be significant. But the American public doesn’t seem to gain anything from this new company.

This is my question too, but I haven't seen a journalist ask it yet. My baseless theory: Trump has promised them some kind of antitrust protections in the form of legislation to be written & passed at a later date. An announcement of a public AI infrastructure program joined by multiple companies could have been a monumental announcement. This one just looks like three big companies getting permission to make one big…

Easier: Trump likely committed that the federal agencies wouldn't slow roll regulatory approval (for power, for EIS, etc.).

Ellison stated explicitly that this would be "impossible" without Trump.

Masa stated that this (new investment level?) wouldn't be happening had Trump not won, and that the new investment level was decided yesterday.

I know everyone wants to see something nefarious here, but simplest explanation is that the federal government for next four years is expected to be significantly less hostile to private investment, and - shocker - that yields increased private investment.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're creating that many jobs, it means most of them are construction work. Skilled labor for sure, but not necessarily college educated.

How does this work out in the long term? Operating a data center does not require that many blue-collar workers. I'm imagining a future where the US builds a Tower of Babel from thousands of data centers just to keep people employed and occupied. Maybe also add in some paperclip factories¹? ¹) https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html

I doubt these are permanent jobs. This project will create a ton of temporary work though!

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're creating that many jobs, it means most of them are construction work. Skilled labor for sure, but not necessarily college educated.

How does this work out in the long term? Operating a data center does not require that many blue-collar workers. I'm imagining a future where the US builds a Tower of Babel from thousands of data centers just to keep people employed and occupied. Maybe also add in some paperclip factories¹? ¹) https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html

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