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Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Post by medhir »

Sammi wrote: post #249
medhir wrote: post #213

was not really on TikTok but a bleak day for anyone that believes in the free speech ideals the US was founded on

US law and freedom of speech is for US citizens. China is a foreign adversary. China bans Facebook. Same shit.

China publicly advertises itself as communist regime. I get that we want to protect our interests from foreign adversaries, I disagree that this is the way to do so.

China banning Facebook is an authoritarian action. If we are doing the “same shit”, it feels expressly undemocratic and I am speaking towards that.

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Post by croes »

andrewflnr wrote: post #26
vunderba wrote: post #13

So I have a relatively large extended family covering a wide age range and we talk pretty frequently in a shared SMS group - most of them have noted the ban with a passing level of irritation but nobody's "freaking out" like if you lost access to a platform like Facebook, Twitter, or Discord that's more oriented around communication rather than consumption. I understand that people spend a lot of time doomscrolling o…

That's weird, my optimistic side is hoping it'll have a noticeable positive effect on people's mental health.

Because the mindless videos they get on YouTube and such are better?

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Post by sirisaysgpt »

Dalewyn wrote: post #332
jandrewrogers wrote: post #308

A point I think most people don’t understand is that the government interest in TikTok has little to do with exploiting user data per se, a lot of other companies do that. The issue is that TikTok is somewhat unique in being aggressively weaponized in currently very active “grey zone” conflicts. This has been an open secret in national security circles but the average person on the street has no idea what a grey zone…

>The issue is that TikTok is somewhat unique in being aggressively weaponized in currently very active “grey zone” conflicts. That has been happening since time immemorial. What is actually the issue is that for the first time ever in the post-WW2 Pax Americana era, media is being weaponized by a powerful non-American state (China). America does through Facebook, Mysterious Twitter X, Reddit, CNN, Fox News, PBS, et a…

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Post by nikanj »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #308

A point I think most people don’t understand is that the government interest in TikTok has little to do with exploiting user data per se, a lot of other companies do that. The issue is that TikTok is somewhat unique in being aggressively weaponized in currently very active “grey zone” conflicts. This has been an open secret in national security circles but the average person on the street has no idea what a grey zone…

TikTok is somewhat unique in presenting a real, non-us-based competitor to FB/Instagram. A bit of lobbying to block your competitor is a deft move on Mark’s part

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Post by wilg »

int_ wrote: post #349
jandrewrogers wrote: post #308

A point I think most people don’t understand is that the government interest in TikTok has little to do with exploiting user data per se, a lot of other companies do that. The issue is that TikTok is somewhat unique in being aggressively weaponized in currently very active “grey zone” conflicts. This has been an open secret in national security circles but the average person on the street has no idea what a grey zone…

They can’t manufacture consent anymore regarding false flag wars that only benefit large war profiteering corporations.

the problem this law solves is that in tiktok's case the "they" who has the power to manufacture consent is the PRC

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Post by croes »

rvz wrote: post #22
vunderba wrote: post #13

So I have a relatively large extended family covering a wide age range and we talk pretty frequently in a shared SMS group - most of them have noted the ban with a passing level of irritation but nobody's "freaking out" like if you lost access to a platform like Facebook, Twitter, or Discord that's more oriented around communication rather than consumption. I understand that people spend a lot of time doomscrolling o…

Perhaps this TikTok ban is a time to reflect around their addictions and cravings. A new year's resolution to go cold turkey and a chance to change a cure their own addictions. It is not the end of the world. Just the end of someone's supply of a brand of digital drug.

And the government won’t have a problem if the new digital drug is under their control.

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

deepsun wrote: post #335
IAmNotACellist wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Grey zone conflict" sounds a lot like our powers are upset they don't have the level of control over information that the adversary has. They want to be the ones to censor, suppress, and promote, rather than another country. The goal isn't more open access to information.

Whether they want or not, they cannot. The democratic system, even deficient as one in US, still does its job and works against blatant information suppression.

Huh?

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Post by Dalewyn »

sirisaysgpt wrote: post #353
Dalewyn wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The issue is that TikTok is somewhat unique in being aggressively weaponized in currently very active “grey zone” conflicts. That has been happening since time immemorial. What is actually the issue is that for the first time ever in the post-WW2 Pax Americana era, media is being weaponized by a powerful non-American state (China). America does through Facebook, Mysterious Twitter X, Reddit, CNN, Fox News, PBS, et a…

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I'm not a "China supporter" so much as I am simply stating reality for what it is.

America banned TikTok because it's not something America can control, that really is all there is to it. It's even stated right there in the law: Sell TikTok to America and they can do business.

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