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In the belly of the MrBeast

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Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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What was the Twitter joke. 'If I want an answer to a programming question, I post the question, and then an incorrect response from a different account.' No ones posting to help, but a lot will post to smugly correct the wrong answer.

old IRC joke

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Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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The prison system is not “the justice system.” Yes, if a prison makes money from incarcerating people, its natural goal will be to incarcerate people. For-profit prisons also have higher chances of recidivism, which bears this out as well.

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2023/03/07/courts-profit-and-th... "Daniel Hatcher used to work as an attorney for Maryland Legal Aid. He says he's seen American courts turn into a system that's more interested in profits than justice. 'California is pursuing billions in fines and fees, and Alabama, multiple prosecutors' offices in Alabama generate 70% of their total funding solely by the pursuit of these court ordered…

Ah, the notable figurehead Daniel Hatcher, who used to work as an attorney in Maryland, I suppose.

> I haven’t heard anyone say our justice system is primarily profit-driven, and certainly haven’t heard any notable mainstreamers taking that position.

I suppose you can find someone to say any ol' opinion on the vast Internet. I'll consider clause 1 to be disproven and clause 2 to stand.

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Your data is not so much math, but more a tangled macramé of logical gymnastics, pretzel logic, twisted topology, knot theory, and Marlinespike Seamanship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knot_theory https://corpslakes.erdc.dren.mil/employees/motorboat/pdfs/Ma...

can you help me on the math between 8% and 11%? I'm showing that as .11/.08 = 1.375 or "37% higher" . I generalized this to #1/#2 = % difference between the #1 and #2. It's not so much logic as it is arithmetic, but let me know if you still disagree.

Nobody thinks the arithmetic is wrong, we're saying you're engaged in (really transparent and unconvincing) deception.

If the approval rate was 0.1% and 0.2%, does it give someone the correct impression to say "Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans to approve of the killing?"

After saying that sentence, would someone draw a diagram that's even remotely close to the actual probabilities and support levels?

No. Of course not. That's called deception.

If you say, "5-11% of Harris votes vs 2-8% of Trump voters approve," would someone be able to draw a diagram of probabilities that's pretty close to reality?

Yes. They would. That's called honesty.

So all you're doing here is adding to the outrage machine in, again, a really transparent, unconvincing, and deceptive manner. I know you probably think this is all clever and whatnot, but it really is wildly unimpressive.

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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You see this a lot in strange ways these days. Rage bait, feigned ignorance, and things like that. It’s anti-quality and it’s just as effective (if not more) than quality content.

What was the Twitter joke. 'If I want an answer to a programming question, I post the question, and then an incorrect response from a different account.' No ones posting to help, but a lot will post to smugly correct the wrong answer.

This trick has been around forever, it's actually got a name, "goodhart's law"

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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They were dedicated to the craft though, there have been countless people who dedicated themselves to pushing the boundaries of their profession and lost their personal lives in the process. Losing yourself to achieve something new in math, art, science, etc. can be seen as a worthwhile sacrifice. Content creators feels more perverse because they are sacrificing themselves to making metrics go up. The act of creation…

I am very skeptic of the creator economy, but to play devils advocate: Could it be that "craft" until now has been a high dimensional and abstract conceptual navigation exercise, for which some people had both (1) the compass of intuition and (2) the drive. Replacing craft with metrics means that people without the high dimensional intuition/compass (but with the drive) can still play a part in the game. So maybe thi…

I created an account after many many years on this site to tell you I have had the same thoughts about this navigation in a higher space, akin to spelunking in a cave system of concepts, this is just another way to explore viable concepts.

It's a horrid part of the cave system imo but it's obviously viable.

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2023/03/07/courts-profit-and-th... "Daniel Hatcher used to work as an attorney for Maryland Legal Aid. He says he's seen American courts turn into a system that's more interested in profits than justice. 'California is pursuing billions in fines and fees, and Alabama, multiple prosecutors' offices in Alabama generate 70% of their total funding solely by the pursuit of these court ordered…

Ah, the notable figurehead Daniel Hatcher, who used to work as an attorney in Maryland, I suppose. > I haven’t heard anyone say our justice system is primarily profit-driven, and certainly haven’t heard any notable mainstreamers taking that position. I suppose you can find someone to say any ol' opinion on the vast Internet. I'll consider clause 1 to be disproven and clause 2 to stand.

I'd consider someone saying profit is the "point" to mean it is primarily profit driven. You asked for an example and I provided one. It's pretty clear your mind is made up, so best of luck to you.

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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This is just a terrific read. The following excerpt from the final chapter of his e-book is just as good:

There are indeed “echo chambers” on YouTube, but they are filled with an active and demanding audience. When the YouTuber uploads their video, whatever originality, creativity or meaning they intended to communicate is reduced to the public audience measures that the platform appends to the video. This quantification puts the video into immediate comparison with the YouTuber’s previous videos, and indeed with every video on the platform.

It requires incredible willpower to ignore the reverberations of the ever-present audience on social media, to maintain an independent artistic vision or coherent ideological position. And for YouTubers attempting to make a living, the vast and intense competition makes it impossible to do so. The audience can simply click away if the YouTuber displeases them. The pressure of having millions of bosses issuing conflicting demands can produce “Creator burnout” or worse.

My poetic aspiration is that whenever you read the words “YouTube Creator” you think instead of “Audience Creation.” Social media does not create powerful Influencers but rather powerless marionettes, dancing jerkily to quantified audience tugs.

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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First of all – the essay is phenomenal and his book is available online for free – https://www.cambridge.org/core/elements/youtube-apparatus/36... > “Communication within the YouTube Apparatus has no meaning.” The rapid feedback loop between creators and audiences (as constructed by platform metrics) means that the system more and more responds to itself. Rather than trying to go somewhere (as is the case with politi…

Grabbing someone's attention through any means (often using tricks like ragebait that appeal to psychological weakness) is the only goal.

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Ah, the notable figurehead Daniel Hatcher, who used to work as an attorney in Maryland, I suppose. > I haven’t heard anyone say our justice system is primarily profit-driven, and certainly haven’t heard any notable mainstreamers taking that position. I suppose you can find someone to say any ol' opinion on the vast Internet. I'll consider clause 1 to be disproven and clause 2 to stand.

I'd consider someone saying profit is the "point" to mean it is primarily profit driven. You asked for an example and I provided one. It's pretty clear your mind is made up, so best of luck to you.

Did you read the comment? I said yes, you've demonstrated that a person has expressed that sentiment. I said "no notable mainstreamer" has, and your example doesn't refute that. No one knows who this guy is!

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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This explains election results (agreed) but I'm more curious why outrage-generators and conspiracists seem to have culturally taken a stronger hold on the right over the course of decades.

I would tentatively suggest that it because the right lost the broader cultural "wars". Our story-telling media is, if not actually "leftish", generally progressive in the broadest sense of that term. Struggles over gay marriage, contraception, divorce, interracial marriage, civil rights were all, as of 2010 or so, pretty much wrapped up in ways that broadly speaking reflected a progressive win. So for quite a few de…

This is a great thesis! Thanks for taking the time to write it up.
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