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Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by quesera »

altairprime wrote: post #344
likeabatterycar wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A car with square wheels doesn't grow itself by adding three horns and a bubble dome...

Firefox the browser doesn’t make any money. Doesn’t matter if the wheels are square or round if no one’s willing or able to put gas in the tank. As many prior rounds of Mozilla on HN have pointed out, it’s completely unacceptable to consider having to pay Mozilla for Firefox, and anyways a few million dollars will barely hire enough coders to keep afloat on CVEs (unlike e.g. Let’s Encrypt, who has a much simpler orga…

> Firefox the browser doesn’t make any money

Firefox the browser is responsible for the vast majority (81%?) of the money that is injected into Mozilla annually.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by zargon »

dageshi wrote: post #196
silisili wrote: post #168

Mozilla will spend any amount it takes to do anything but build a better browser.

Firefox is genuinely fine, great even, I've used it for years and have no complaints. But you notice in all these threads, everyone who theoretically ought to use Firefox comes up with their own little list of nitpicks that justify them not using it. "I can't use it because I was disgusted when they dropped feature x" "I won't use it because they spent their money on feature y instead of just doing z" Meanwhile Chrom…

> Meanwhile Chrome doesn't give a fuck what you think and does whatever it wants and people keep using it regardless.

As a Firefox user since 2002 who has never switched away, this part of the situation feels insane. People nitpick over Mozilla and decide they'd rather be steamrolled by Google. What?

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by quesera »

caoilte wrote: post #296
mentalgear wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a non-profit that does not have a share-price, I'm curious if you have evidence for validity of your assessment of "big swings resulting in compensation packages".

I can offer a rationale that I hope that will be interesting. Evidence is more effort than I'm willing to invest in a random internet conversation. I hope that's okay. I don't mean to cause offense, but neither do I like having an interesting discussion shutdown. Executive leadership compensation tends to be based on, - the size/prospects/complexity of the company - the compensation received by executives in similar…

I don't think this is relevant here.

Mozilla's executive compensation is famously disconnected from any realities -- economic, industry fad, or otherwise.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by j45 »

binkHN wrote: post #350
j45 wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Firefox has to do things to try and grow itself along with their mission. If they aren’t trying things, they would also then be accused of languishing in obscurity. AI being built into browsers isn’t new. Summarization isn’t novel. It’s not early in the game where resources are crazy high. Summarization could run with a basic low powered model privately hosted. Market share changes based on what browsers do w…

> If they aren’t trying things, they would also then be accused of languishing in obscurity. They are languishing into obscurity not because they aren't trying things, but because their browser functionality is languishing behind the others.

Firefox doesn’t have a profit model to sell ads or user browsing behaviour like other browsers as far as I know.

I appreciate the languishing comment, at the same time Firefox has features that seem to be a little unique to it out of the box. Spaces comes to mind.

Getting really good at one thing might be beneficial.

Ai summarization seems to be more and more common in a browser. Maybe they’ll add it as a local feature once a model can comfortably run.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by j45 »

altairprime wrote: post #344
likeabatterycar wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A car with square wheels doesn't grow itself by adding three horns and a bubble dome...

Firefox the browser doesn’t make any money. Doesn’t matter if the wheels are square or round if no one’s willing or able to put gas in the tank. As many prior rounds of Mozilla on HN have pointed out, it’s completely unacceptable to consider having to pay Mozilla for Firefox, and anyways a few million dollars will barely hire enough coders to keep afloat on CVEs (unlike e.g. Let’s Encrypt, who has a much simpler orga…

Comparing the Homer mobile to Firefox is a stretch.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by meindnoch »

thiht wrote: post #244

Such a weird domain name, why not orbit.mozilla.com? This looks like a phishing attempt

When your organization is so broken that it's easier to buy a separate domain for your team, than to go through the process of putting it under the main company domain.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by dingnuts »

knallfrosch wrote: post #343
mort96 wrote: post #322

I have to ask: why, exactly, does it make sense for Mozilla to invest heavily into running expensive servers to run vanity chat bots for people? What's the path here to something which improves their financial situation or browser market share? How isn't this just yet another random service they'll throw money into for a couple of years before shutting down?

In 2-3 years, devices will run this locally.

Oh, they will? Someone else on this site told me they would be running locally in 2-3 years, back in 2022.

Someone on this site also assured me ten years ago that we'd have full self driving by 2020.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by JaDogg »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #51

Given the broader Mozilla foundation's political biases, will these assistants be censored or heavily curated? I am reminded of when Mozilla chose to ban Dissenter, a free speech plugin powered by Gab, from its store. I've never used it but I found it distasteful that a company working on a basic utility program decided to become political. I don't understand why they cannot just focus on the basics and get those rig…

What is a free speech plugin? were there political discussions in these threads? If so it seems like they did the correct thing removing such political plugin right?

> basic utility program decided to become political

looks like they wanted to avoid it, isn't it?

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by altairprime »

quesera wrote: post #351
altairprime wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox the browser doesn’t make any money. Doesn’t matter if the wheels are square or round if no one’s willing or able to put gas in the tank. As many prior rounds of Mozilla on HN have pointed out, it’s completely unacceptable to consider having to pay Mozilla for Firefox, and anyways a few million dollars will barely hire enough coders to keep afloat on CVEs (unlike e.g. Let’s Encrypt, who has a much simpler orga…

> Firefox the browser doesn’t make any money Firefox the browser is responsible for the vast majority (81%?) of the money that is injected into Mozilla annually.

What % of the money that is injected into Mozilla annually is paid by Google?
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