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A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Still worse than public transport, wastes more resources and endangers cyclists and pedestrians. I have yet to see anything that deserves to be called progress in self-driving. Yet another scam to sell more wasteful, inefficient vehicles.

Waymo is public transport. If they introduce automated vehicles that have fixed routes and larger carrying capacities then Waymo is indistinguishable from actual public transport.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Remember kids: everything that can, eventually, will be turned against you! Some fun predictions, gathered from other comments + my own: - You ll have to dispute a dead family member against a faceless company that conveniently deleted crucial logs. - They will make you wear wireless tags every time you cross a street, and fine & shame you, if you don't. -Tags will contain your real identity, so that you ll get a bon…

> - You ll have to dispute a dead family member against a faceless company that conveniently deleted crucial logs. On the contrary, of all my negative experiences biking in NYC over 10 years, the _only_ time I was able to hold a driver accountable was when they were riding a Revel scooter in which case the "faceless company" took them off their platform. This comment seems to significantly overestimate how easy it to…

Drivers don’t get held accountable in America. You can actually kill someone without any significant consequences, as long as you do it while driving

https://sfist.com/2024/04/18/71-year-old-driver-skates-with-...

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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In England we call them "Indicators" as opposed to turn signals. My driving instructor said, they are call that because they are only indicating they might go that way. Never assume they will. It was some defensive driving advice. I can understand that it's annoying that inconsistent use of turn signals is an annoyance, it isn't as bad a people that don't use them at all, but my understand is that the American road s…

We have roundabouts. We don’t have them everywhere but then I bet you don’t either. My home town in Idaho has built at least five I am aware of in as many years, with more planned. My neighborhood in Seattle plants a tree in the middle of unmarked intersections which effectively creates a mini roundabout.

I've driven in England and New Zealand, and they really had them everywhere.

Yes, we have them in the US, but we don't have enough of them that you can expect that all drivers know what to do with them. It's entirely too common for approaching drivers to be unaware that they must yield to vehicles already in the circle.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Unless we really can finally stop drunk driving overnight after all these years of trying I don't agree the comparison should result in significantly different policy. I want to know how Waymo statistically compares to all of all the actual drivers when setting policy, not how Waymo compares to what we wish real drivers would have been like. The only mistake would be to compare solely to drunk drivers, which is what…

> ..not how Waymo compares to what we wish real drivers would have been like. I want to see "all the things", but in specific reply to this point, i want to see this because i have no intention to commit a DUI myself. So the bar for me personally is how well it'll do compared to safe drivers. Lots of stats are useful, but i don't think we should undersell the various "ai vs me" comparisons that individuals could use.…

But in terms of policy decisions, whether they should be allowed on the road, these are the correct numbers. Convincing people like you to ride is not the goal of this paper or its claims.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Sure cars are helpful for transporting stuff. But most car rides is one dude sitting alone in a 1.5 ton machine moving his lazy ass around town. Public transport, if done correctly, can replace that, also outside of big cities. There are good examples across Europe for this.

> Sure cars are helpful for transporting stuff. But most car rides is one dude sitting alone in a 1.5 ton machine moving his lazy ass around town. I do not know about lazy. I find it a lot easier to use public transport myself. I would like to see numbers for "most" especially outside the US. Very few of my car trips are by myself without something to carry. > Public transport, if done correctly, can replace that, al…

One of the features of public transit--certainly the commuter rail relatively near my house (although I still need to drive to the station)--is that it's often very empty in off-hours but if you don't run (an insufficient number of) those near-empty trains, a lot of people are going to say screw it and drive. I won't take commuter rail into the city for an evening event in part because because I really need to time the return journey--and it takes quite a bit longer.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

#356
post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In England we call them "Indicators" as opposed to turn signals. My driving instructor said, they are call that because they are only indicating they might go that way. Never assume they will. It was some defensive driving advice. I can understand that it's annoying that inconsistent use of turn signals is an annoyance, it isn't as bad a people that don't use them at all, but my understand is that the American road s…

We have roundabouts. We don’t have them everywhere but then I bet you don’t either. My home town in Idaho has built at least five I am aware of in as many years, with more planned. My neighborhood in Seattle plants a tree in the middle of unmarked intersections which effectively creates a mini roundabout.

> I bet you don’t either.

Oh you haven’t been to the UK if you think that. :) They are absolutely everywhere. Traffic planers love them.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Is there any possible future, where Waymo is NOT one of the major players in self driving software?

Have they solved their mapping problem? Because that, more so than the added Lidar hardware cost, seems like the lynchpin here: As soon as Tesla works, it works everywhere*. Last I heard Waymo, they have to do every city, one at a time – and there are a lot of cities.

The mapping problem keeps getting brought up (often by Tesla enthusiasts).

It just doesn't seem like a huge problem? If you have cars equipped with high resolution Lidar and cameras, mapping new routes seems like it ought to scale as the fleet is expanded.

This problem seems embarrassingly parallel.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

#358
Looks like this is comparing to human drivers on the same miles and conditions:

only the claims associated with vehicles registered to addresses (i.e., where the insured resides) within Waymo's operating zip codes in San Francisco, the Phoenix metropolitan region, Los Angeles, and Austin were included

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have they solved their mapping problem? Because that, more so than the added Lidar hardware cost, seems like the lynchpin here: As soon as Tesla works, it works everywhere*. Last I heard Waymo, they have to do every city, one at a time – and there are a lot of cities.

The mapping problem keeps getting brought up (often by Tesla enthusiasts). It just doesn't seem like a huge problem? If you have cars equipped with high resolution Lidar and cameras, mapping new routes seems like it ought to scale as the fleet is expanded. This problem seems embarrassingly parallel.

As a reminder, Google Maps Street View was brought to us by Google. They might know a thing or two about mapping the drivable (and more!) world.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure cars are helpful for transporting stuff. But most car rides is one dude sitting alone in a 1.5 ton machine moving his lazy ass around town. Public transport, if done correctly, can replace that, also outside of big cities. There are good examples across Europe for this.

Ok but hear me out. Self driving public transit. Right now I have to walk 12 minutes to a bus stop because the one literally in front of my house was closed due to a lack of drivers. Then I wait 3-10 minutes for a bus that takes 20 minutes to get to the bus hub in my neighborhood. It takes 8 minutes to drive there. If my neighborhood bus route was replaced or supplemented with self driving shuttle busses feeding that…

Sure. I'm not saying that there no use cases. But I don't see the US turning into a public transportation utopia just because there are self-driving buses available. Because the reason public transportation sucks in countries where it sucks is not because drivers are expensive.
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