I honestly thought the US already forced TikTok to store all data on a US company's servers.
US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19
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The problem with AU's U16 ban is that it's going to end up being a de facto real ID requirement for any Australian to communicate online. And also, how many of us on this site were able to learn and grow because they got online as teenagers and learned things? It would have been much, much better to regulate out the worst features of social media platforms for everyone than to pass a Bill that nobody knows how to imp…
> how many of us on this site were able to learn and grow because they got online as teenagers and learned things A huge majority, but it's not necessary as demonstrated by the ones like me that learned things as a teenager without "online" being a thing yet. Well, there were BBSes for the ones that had access to them, but they were pretty niche. We had books and monthly magazines. It was enough to bootstrap the 90s…
I learnt english on IRC.
Sure most of the girls I met there weren't real girls. But I did meet one of my gfs on IRC (and she was a real girl).
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I know this, but there is still a massive net benefit for the youth, and I hope it opens the door to more social media scrutiny. People forget how relaxed life was before everyone could point a camera at someone and upload and embarass them in 10 seconds
"People forget how relaxed life was before everyone could point a camera at someone and upload and embarass them in 10 seconds" But that has been a thing since quite a while and unless you ban smartphones, won't go away. Not in general at least, but smartphone free areas (in school) are likely beneficial. On the other hand, we can also make it illegal and enforce it in an easy way to upload pictures of other people a…
Not really. It was not socially acceptable to record in all scenarios. The negative effect for the recording person was larger than the internet fame on average.
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you are hoping wrong then, tiktok block will only exacerbates this. Coincidence: in portuguese tolo means fool
> Coincidence: in portuguese tolo means fool The swipe in your response was totally unnecessary.
naivety isn’t evil but it’s highly damaging
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Do you believe that META does not censor content? Or amplify specific views? Or suppress the reach of certain others?
> Do you believe that META does not censor content? To some degree for sure, simply because they have to by law. > Or amplify specific views? Or suppress the reach of certain others? They have the technical capabilities and what Meta in particular does: I don't know. But given the social media landscape as a whole (not only platsforms by Meta) and seeing so many nutjobs having tremendous reach with lies and fake cont…
Some valid points. But seeing how traditional media has been framing certain events, avoiding to name certain agressors, while being very clear with others, it is obvious that our Western media has a strong bias towards certain narratives. You might say "isn't that normal / desired?". No, I would like to have objective reports, no matter who is doing what.
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#356Americans can’t invest directly in Chinese companies and shouldn’t be obligated to host Chinese companies in their markets or be surprised when political whims ban them, since the lack of shared investment is political too. People clearly enjoy the content on there so the outcome is sad but it’s a complicated economic dynamic that is hard to grasp
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Your second sentence is a gross misunderstanding and you might benefit from some therapy to be kinder to others. Regarding the first do you realize TikTok is not allowed in China and Byte Dance runs Douyin with a government safety system for content ? And secondly would you consider any government modifying a virality algorithm to still be a free speech platform?
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So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.
"Mistreat" is a bit unnecessarily dramatic. People in the US were fine (possibly even better off) before TikTok, and they'll be just fine if it goes away. China's level of internet control and censorship does seem to rise to the level of mistreatment (in that they control and shape access to information, in ways that further the interests of state propaganda), but denying Chinese companies (and the Chinese government…
How the mighty have fallen. I remember the Arab Spring and all the excitement about media being in people's hands, safe from censorship... So finally, non-Arab people got the same opportunity too. And now, apparently, there's nuance.
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#358Americans can’t invest directly in Chinese companies and shouldn’t be obligated to host Chinese companies in their markets or be surprised when political whims ban them, since the lack of shared investment is political too. People clearly enjoy the content on there so the outcome is sad but it’s a complicated economic dynamic that is hard to grasp
Americans can definitely invest into most Chinese tech companies- the exception is direct investments into non-tech, licensed companies, that require a VIE structure, which enables Americans to still invest.
This is what I meant by direct investment. Owning true controlling shares versus the cayman economic proxy
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#359Americans can’t invest directly in Chinese companies and shouldn’t be obligated to host Chinese companies in their markets or be surprised when political whims ban them, since the lack of shared investment is political too. People clearly enjoy the content on there so the outcome is sad but it’s a complicated economic dynamic that is hard to grasp
> Americans can’t invest directly in Chinese companies This is not true. You can trade onshore Mainland China stocks through the Hongkong Stock Exchange. There is a special programmed called "Northbound" and "Southbound" in the broker-dealer industry. (This also allows investors from Mainland China to trades Hongkong stocks.) Any big brokerage should offer access to the Hongkong Stock Exchange. There is even a weird…
That’s a good clarification as not all companies are tech related and there are companies eligible for trading. However northbound trading still follows all applicable laws and there’s no access to direct ownership in some amazing companies
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#360This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…
Cmon that’s a bit hyperbolic isint it. This operation is wrong but social discourse online is good