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Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by saghm »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #303
Tepix wrote: post #120

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I agree itch.io is awesome! Edit: And i'm happy to see that it's working again as of 2024-12-09 12:27 UTC+1

And compared to that brandshield users should be branded by their business practices. Also the hoster as well. Seems to be a difficult time for hosters and also again a demonstration that copyright law is deeply flawed, even if using stolen assets is a rising problem.

I don't disagree that copyright law is deeply flawed, but even with the current law, it seems like this situation could easily have been avoided. The issue is one malicious private company (Brandshield) taking advantage of the negligence of another private company (the registrar) by claiming that a site was being used for "fraud and phishing". If anything, the parent comment from the person running the site makes me think that the situation would have been _less_ messed up if Brandshield had correctly asked for the offending copyrighted content to be taken down rather than falsely alleging something more severe. I understand that Brandshield probably has been incentivized to act this way due to copyright law, but I'd argue that even reasonable laws will sometimes cause bad actors to try to take advantage of things, and the easiest way to fight back against this isn't to try to change laws to avoid this but for non-malicious entities like the registrar not to allow their customers to get exploited by this sort of behavior.

Unfortunately, domain registration is an industry with so many of its own problems that I'm not sure "vote with your wallet" would be an effective strategy for changing things here. I honestly wonder if domain registration might be the more fruitful target for legislation protecting customers if the goal is specifically to avoid situations like this one, but even as someone who's usually unabashedly in favor of consumer protection regulations, I can't say I have a high degree of confidence that any changes here would be done effectively.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by tbatchelli »

Etheryte wrote: post #112
blitzar wrote: post #79

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Well of course, your bot is having a wonderful time interacting with other bots. A whole bunch of resources wasted while making everything worse for real humans.

This is a fair description of our future. I’m stealing it

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by conradfr »

bondant wrote: post #259
conradfr wrote: post #103

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Infomaniak Netim

I'm also looking to move my domains out of gandi but stay with a european registrar. Did someone try netim customers' service? They say on their "about us" webpage that the company is still owned by the founders, so I would think the enshittification hasn't started yet. But if some have experiences to share it would be nice.

I went to Infomaniak when moving from Gandi because at the time I found the text contrast too light on Netim ahah, seems better now.

But they seemed quite proactive on Twitter around the time people left Gandi en masse.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

leafo wrote: post #31

I'm the one running itch.io, so here's some more context for you: From what I can tell, some person made a fan page for an existing Funko Pop video game (Funko Fusion), with links to the official site and screenshots of the game. The BrandShield software is probably instructed to eradicate all "unauthorized" use of their trademark, so they sent reports independently to our host and registrar claiming there was "fraud…

You really need to get off both .io and this no-name registrar.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by [deleted] »

Animats wrote: post #53

Hm. So Funko sells merchandise related to the Jurassic World franchise.[1] But, according to Licensing International, Mattel licenses the toy rights to that franchise from Universal Products and Experiences, the merchandise arm of Universal Pictures. [2] Also, Funko sells Disney Princess dolls.[3] Mattel announced a multi-year licensing deal with Disney to license the doll rights for Disney Princess dolls. “The coura…

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Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by Etheryte »

tbatchelli wrote: post #352
Etheryte wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well of course, your bot is having a wonderful time interacting with other bots. A whole bunch of resources wasted while making everything worse for real humans.

This is a fair description of our future. I’m stealing it

See also: the Dead Internet Theory [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by pessimizer »

leafo wrote: post #31

I'm the one running itch.io, so here's some more context for you: From what I can tell, some person made a fan page for an existing Funko Pop video game (Funko Fusion), with links to the official site and screenshots of the game. The BrandShield software is probably instructed to eradicate all "unauthorized" use of their trademark, so they sent reports independently to our host and registrar claiming there was "fraud…

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Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by tonygiorgio »

leafo wrote: post #31

I'm the one running itch.io, so here's some more context for you: From what I can tell, some person made a fan page for an existing Funko Pop video game (Funko Fusion), with links to the official site and screenshots of the game. The BrandShield software is probably instructed to eradicate all "unauthorized" use of their trademark, so they sent reports independently to our host and registrar claiming there was "fraud…

Unfortunately "serverHold" goes above registrars. I learned this the hard way. There's a variety of watchdogs that false flag things all the time, and a handful of tld's that will blindly obey these orders. I'm guessing io is one of these. You'll have to escalate it with them, though I was never successful. Good luck.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by no_wizard »

bovermyer wrote: post #342
colejohnson66 wrote: post #288

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Check out Porkbun. https://porkbun.com/

How is Porkbun compared to Namecheap?

Porkbun is best on the market at this point.

Namecheap I find is less easier to use and sometimes higher cost over time. I also haven’t had reliable domain renewal service from them when I used them.

Granted this is all a few years back. I was at Cloudflare until this year when I switched to Porkbun and I’ve been very happy

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by raxxorraxor »

saghm wrote: post #351
raxxorraxor wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And compared to that brandshield users should be branded by their business practices. Also the hoster as well. Seems to be a difficult time for hosters and also again a demonstration that copyright law is deeply flawed, even if using stolen assets is a rising problem.

I don't disagree that copyright law is deeply flawed, but even with the current law, it seems like this situation could easily have been avoided. The issue is one malicious private company (Brandshield) taking advantage of the negligence of another private company (the registrar) by claiming that a site was being used for "fraud and phishing". If anything, the parent comment from the person running the site makes me…

A bad law is bad if it leads to injustice even beyond its original scope. We have seen numerous problems with DMCA abuse and copyright strikes in other forms. We have patent trolling and this abuse artificially feds a whole industry of dubious lawyers. I think this is not even a small problem and all these factors combined does make it a bad law, even if it would still protect innovation like it once was to meant to do, which is questionable as well.

Of course services like the registrar need protection here too. And certain false copyright claims probably need consequences as well. The legal industry servers no function here.

Also, it would be legally trivial to make the user accountable for the offense, not the whole of itch.io. Sure, there would be problems here as well, but there is not large barrier to not have a parasitic legal industry and have those responsible that actually commit the offense.

The problem of enforcement cannot be put on the back of the platform itself.

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