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Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by consteval » Tue, Oct 29, 2024, 1:29 PM UTC

s1artibartfast wrote: post #346

consteval wrote: post #344

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This largely isn't true. The most effective way to shield yourself from crime is to just be a corporation. It's trivial to kill hundreds, even thousands, if the accountability is spread out against enough people. Famously Bayer Pharmaceuticals knowingly sold HIV infected products in Africa. How many people got HIV? And how many then passed it on, and then how many of those passed it on? I don't know. I'm guessing the…

I think you are still taking issue with the severity of penalties, not legal immunity. Should someone go to jail for HIV deaths in Africa, or heart attacks from McDonalds? I dont think the comparison to individuals is as clear as you make it out to be. We dont charge surgeons This is beside really besides the point tho when it comes to elections. Corporations are made up of people. If you restrict them, you are also…

> We dont charge surgeons

We definitely do if they act in malice. "Do no harm" and all. I guess then it comes down to how stupid you think corporate leadership is.

IMO, most of the time they're not stupid. I don't think Tabacco executives genuinely though getting people hooked on nicotine was fine. Not to mention they did everything they could to make the occurrence of nicotine more potent...

> are you really OK with Gates or whoever making a $100M donation? do you really think corporate donations are somehow worse?

1. I'm not 100% okay with the ultra-wealthy influencing elections, because their interests are also at odds with the average American person (who is who your representatives should serve!), but:

2. I do think it's slightly better than corporations influencing elections. Bill Gates is still a person and probably doesn't advocate things that directly harm humanity. The same is not true for corporations - many of them literally exist solely to harm humanity (and make money in the process).

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by triceratops » Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 2:17 PM UTC

troad wrote: post #343

triceratops wrote: post #339

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> your solution for a prejudiced law It's a workaround, not a solution. > you're acting like being insulted is just fine I said exactly the opposite of that. There's no point continuing this discussion.

It's neither a solution nor a workaround, for the simple reason that it doesn't work either as a matter of law or in practice. You began this thread with a deeply incorrect assertion about a federal law, then someone corrected you, then you asserted that the correction doesn't really matter, and now you're committing to ever more contorted logic to defend that initial incorrect assertion. I would very respectfully su…

> It's neither a solution nor a workaround, for the simple reason that it doesn't work either as a matter of law or in practice

What makes you so sure? Are you a lawyer?

I mean you said stuff like

> as you can be mailed an abortifacient, but you can't be mailed a wedding

Which sounds quite incorrect and absurd to me. Mailing, or even e-mailing, marriage licenses is trivially possible. Meanwhile, there are multiple lawsuits and laws trying to prevent the mailing of abortifacients and/or revoking FDA approvals for abortifacients.

I didn't really feel like rebutting the rest of your post, but it was filled with similar falsehoods and speculation presented as fact.

Zoom weddings were allowed during the pandemic. Plenty of states allow non-residents to marry already. What exactly makes it unworkable?

> I would very respectfully suggest that it's sometimes healthy to admit that a take was just bad. It's ok.

I'd love to. You just haven't been very convincing, sorry. Focus on being more informative and helpful, not argumentative and demeaning. Believe it or not, I'm on your side.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by silexia » Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 3:12 PM UTC

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #5

Interesting to compare the top ads when sorting "Amount spent: high to low" and "Number of times shown: high to low". Political ads from 4 years ago appear to have been shown many more times for much less cost. This year's ads seem considerably more expensive while also reaching a smaller audience.

Google switched from running an actual auction to making you bid the most they think you're willing to pay.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by riehwvfbk » Tue, Nov 05, 2024, 5:40 AM UTC

worstspotgain wrote: post #309

riehwvfbk wrote: post #254

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And you know they succeeded when they planted such paranoia in the citizens that they start seeing them everywhere.

Global Russian paranoia would actually be alright. We used to have that in the 80s. Certainly better than global Russian domination by way of stooges like Maduro, Orban, Wagner in Africa, and you-know-who in the US.

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