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Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by lazide »

DubiousPusher wrote: post #113
bigiain wrote: post #53

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I think even that's perhaps a warped anthropocentric view of intelligence? Think about other earth-centric scenarios, and try and imagine if dolphins or octopuses or fungus or maybe even insect colonies or plant ecosystems had "won" and become the apex lifeforms on earth instead of humans. I wonder just how different concerns like "civilisations" and "war" and "nuclear power" would have played out in those cases? I w…

It's not even clear that the ants haven't won.

Depending on your definition of victory, it’s pretty clear they won a long time ago.

I’m quite sure ‘winning’ doesn’t involve filing taxes, for one.

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by lazide »

DubiousPusher wrote: post #346
jiggawatts wrote: post #330

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Then use that as one of the four critical parameters. E.g.: You might believe that some variability in conditions (hot-house Earth, iceball Earth) is required to "kick start" evolution. Okay, then simply pick out the subset of the parameter space with that amount of variability.

But we literally don't know the variability. Unlike the numbers of stars in the universe or the number of planets, which we have some statistically board observational evidence for, we have no such statistical evidence for the development of high energy microbiology. We have 1/1 examples. And we don't know if that's because it was inevitable and the eukaryotes have just outcompeted everything else or if it was exceed…

Yup. We just don’t know what we don’t know, as far as odds go.

What we do know that we don’t know, is already a massive amount - enough to not have any actual confidence in any guesses we could make.

Hell, Europa could have life in it, and we currently couldn’t tell. Venus too. Maybe Mars. Maybe IO.

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by kortilla »

mmooss wrote: post #344
kortilla wrote: post #321

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Yes, none of that meaning is apparent to Bob, which is my point.

I think it is apparent to Bob and to everyone else, implicitly but unmistakeably; it's a message on many levels.

No, it is not apparent to Bob. Please stop willfully misinterpreting it.

It’s a whole class of shitty jokes where you mess with people under the entire purpose of doing it without them knowing. If Bob knows he’s being messed with, that’s something completely different.

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by seoulmetro »

udev4096 wrote: post #195
seoulmetro wrote: post #110

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>in that being this small we can know so much! We only know what we think we know. We could just be grains of sand in someone else's world for all we know.

"Meanwhile the Cosmos is rich beyond measure: the total number of stars in the universe is greater than all the grains of sand on all the beaches of the planet Earth." - Carl Sagan

Yeah, but there are more atoms than grains of sand. We can still be grains of sand in someone's universe.

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by bbor »

kranner wrote: post #281
bbor wrote: post #251

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How could you possibly be an affective agent without knowledge? And how could anything ever use knowledge without perceiving it? Whenever anyone talks about philosophical zombies, I say “show me one, then” — until then I’m sticking with (what I see as) the scientific consensus, which is that we’re material like literally everything else is in the Actual, perceivable world. What would it be like to not be like anythin…

I'm also a materialist, and the lack of p-zombies here cannot preclude their existence elsewhere.

How would you know one when you saw it, though? What is a p-zombie, if you’re not allowed to use any synonyms for “soul”?

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by sagebird »

I can intellectualize

But I cannot truly physically believe how much there is here in our universe.

It’s one thing to see zooming out animated diagrams

It’s a whole other thing to see these photos.

Imagine having a mind capable of holding every planet in every galaxy as familiar as we know our own.

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by mmooss »

kortilla wrote: post #353
mmooss wrote: post #344

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I think it is apparent to Bob and to everyone else, implicitly but unmistakeably; it's a message on many levels.

No, it is not apparent to Bob. Please stop willfully misinterpreting it. It’s a whole class of shitty jokes where you mess with people under the entire purpose of doing it without them knowing. If Bob knows he’s being messed with, that’s something completely different.

You don't need to make up a state of mind for other people - the smart approach is to realize you have no idea what they are thinking - just politely say what you have to say. The second paragraph is fine.

I don't see where it's expressed above (?); no willfullness involved - I didn't even realize that you thought were having such a heated discussion. The other commenter also didn't pick up on it either.

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by amatecha »

spartanatreyu wrote: post #88
amatecha wrote: post #64

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Since it's apparently a 3d map (?) I'd be curious if they will re-run the scan and compare between the scans? Pure speculation my part, but that would be pretty interesting, surely.

You're not going to see like galaxies moving, only very very close stars. But you would spot transient phenomena like supernovae.

Yeah, I was pondering just how long of a time delta you'd need/want to actually show a meaningful difference... Probably at least as long as the lifetime of the Euclid spacecraft...
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