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NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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Indeed, you nailed it. The ridiculous overuse of the word "like" is as nails on a chalkboard to me. It's bad enough hearing it from many people around me, the last thing I need is it to be part of "professional" broadcasting. I'm super impressed with this, but that one flaw is a really big flaw to me.

Out of interest, where do you live? I’m wondering if people’s tolerance for “like” is affected by their geography. I live in California (from the UK originally) so I honestly don’t even notice this any more.

I live in Idaho currently, but have lived in many different regions in the US at various points in the past (though, not California). It does seem particularly strong in California and increasingly in western Oregon, western Washington, southern Nevada, and northern Utah (which, probably not coincidentally, have been top destinations for people moving out of California over the last 10 to 20 years).

Out of curoisity, how long ago did you move to California from the UK? And is the "like" commonly used in the UK?

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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This is some insane catastrophizing. The value is that it turns it into a form factor that may be easier to consume, pay attention to, etc.

Turns what into an easy form factor? Some of this appears to be auto-summarization + read aloud, but the underlying question of "is there anything here at all" is worth asking.

Welcome to all entertainment

Why consume entertainment? It’s just a time waster, right?

Well that’s how the news is often consumed. Through some sort of “morning joe” podcast

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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This is just a "no true Scotsman" take. Popular music has already been synthetic and souless for decades now. People will listen to what sounds good to them, and we already know the bar is very low, and that the hard truth is that it is all subjective anyway.

Sure, bars and restaurants will have an endless supply of boring music, but no one is ever going to go to an AI music event.

Read it and weep:

https://www.nydailynews.com/2016/05/29/thousands-of-new-york...

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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That's fine. To say you don't like something is fine. To say something holds no value is a stronger claim.

I'd go even further than "hold no value" and say it's actively detrimental on both the individual and society. We already have an avalanche of dehumanizing technology that isolates and placates us. We see the results of this with problems in mental health and socialization. This is a downward spiral as AI content will likely appeal to those who lack social skills as they don't have to cope with tricky vagaries of oth…

Hahaha

Here we go, a claim that AI will create a glut of things detrimental to society

And then you’ll have the usual response that the things detrimental to society have already been there and this is nothing new

And round and round we go, while AI advances and totally commoditizes all the things humans produce that you found meaningful.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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I think and hope that you're wrong. There's always been cheese, and there's a lot of it now. But there is still a market for top-notch insight. For example, Perun. This guy delivers an hourlong presentation on (mostly) the Ukraine-Russia war and its pure quality. Insights, humour, excellent delivery, from what seems to be a military-focused economist/analyst/consultant. We're a while away from some bot taking this ki…

I keep seeing this asertion: "the robots will get there" (or its ilk), and it's starting to feel really weird to me. It's an article of faith -- we don't KNOW that they're going to get there. They're going to get better, almost certainly, but how much? How much gas is left in the tank for this technique? Honestly, I think the fact that every new "groundbreaking" news release about LLMs has come alongside a swath of d…

Agreed. I think people are extrapolating with a linearity bias. I find it far more plausible that the rate of improvement is not constant, but instead a function of the remaining gap between humans and AI, which means that diminishing returns are right around the corner.

There's still much to be done re: reorganizing how we behave such that we can reap the benefits of such a competent helper, but I don't think we'll be handing the reigns over any time soon.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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I'd go even further than "hold no value" and say it's actively detrimental on both the individual and society. We already have an avalanche of dehumanizing technology that isolates and placates us. We see the results of this with problems in mental health and socialization. This is a downward spiral as AI content will likely appeal to those who lack social skills as they don't have to cope with tricky vagaries of oth…

Even more catastrophizing. Do you get upset when you read the abstract from an academic paper? Or when you listen to a real podcast that does summarize a difficult topic in easier/shallower terms? Is it the fact that an AI summarized it the problem? Can you point to a real harm here, or will you just hand-wave, instead of seeing the reality of making information more available being a net positive?

Here is what AI can do thus far:

1) humans produced a lot of content in good faith on the internet

2) the AI was trained on it and as a result produced a non-von-Neumann architecture that no one really understands, but which can reason about many things

3) even simply remixing the intelligible and artistic output of millions of humans in lots of nonlinear ways, directed by natural language, leads to amazing possibilities that obviate the need for humans to train anymore because by the time they do, it will all be commoditized.

4) doing it at scale means it can be personalized (also create unlimited amounts of fraudulent yet believable art / news / claims etc.) to spam the internet with fake information for short-term goals, some for LULz, others profit or control etc.

5) targeting certain goals, like reputation destruction of specific people or groups, seems like low hanging fruit and will probably proliferate in the next couple years, with no way to stop it

6) astroturfing all kinds of movements, with fake participants, is also a pretty easy goal with huge incentives — expect websites where 95% of the content and participants are fake trying to attract VC money or sell tokens, etc.

7) but ultimately, the real game changer is commoditizing everything you consider to be uniquely human and meaningful, including jokes, even eventually sex and intimacy. Visuals for heterosexual men, audio for heterosexual women (this is before the sexbots and emotionbots that learn everyone’s micro-preferences better than they know themselves, and can manipulate people at scale into being motivated to do all kinds of things and gently peer-pressure those who might resist).

8) For a few years they will console themselves with platitudes like “the AIs arent meant to replace, but enhance, centaurs of human + computer are better than a computer alone” until human in the loop will clearly be a liability and people will give up… the platitudes will become famous as epitomizing optimistic delusions as humans replaced themselves

Would probably be used for busy parents to rsise their kids at first, in a “set and and forget it” way, educating them etc. But eventually will be weaponized by corporations or whoever trains the models, to nudge everyone towards various things.

Even without AI, the software improves all the time through teams of humans sending autatic updates over-the-air. It can replace a few things you do… gradually then all at once. Driving. Teaching. Entertainment. Intimacy. And so on.

I think the most benign end-game is humans have built a zoo for themselves… everyone is disconnected from everyone by like 100 AIs, and can no longer change anything. The AIs are sort of herding or shepherding the humans into better lifestyles, and every need is satisfied by the AIs who know the micro-preferences of the humans and kids and pets etc.

But it will be too tempting for the corporations to put backdoors to coordinate things at scale, once humans rely on their AIs rather than other humans, a bit like in the movie “Eagle Eye”. But much more subtle. At that point most anything is possible.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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post #333

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Out of interest, where do you live? I’m wondering if people’s tolerance for “like” is affected by their geography. I live in California (from the UK originally) so I honestly don’t even notice this any more.

I live in Idaho currently, but have lived in many different regions in the US at various points in the past (though, not California). It does seem particularly strong in California and increasingly in western Oregon, western Washington, southern Nevada, and northern Utah (which, probably not coincidentally, have been top destinations for people moving out of California over the last 10 to 20 years). Out of curoisity,…

I moved ten years ago, so I couldn't tell you about "like" prevalence in the UK today - I think it was a lot less common than in California a decade ago.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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I think and hope that you're wrong. There's always been cheese, and there's a lot of it now. But there is still a market for top-notch insight. For example, Perun. This guy delivers an hourlong presentation on (mostly) the Ukraine-Russia war and its pure quality. Insights, humour, excellent delivery, from what seems to be a military-focused economist/analyst/consultant. We're a while away from some bot taking this ki…

I keep seeing this asertion: "the robots will get there" (or its ilk), and it's starting to feel really weird to me. It's an article of faith -- we don't KNOW that they're going to get there. They're going to get better, almost certainly, but how much? How much gas is left in the tank for this technique? Honestly, I think the fact that every new "groundbreaking" news release about LLMs has come alongside a swath of d…

People are taking it as an article of faith because almost every prediction that "AI will not be able to do X anytime soon" has failed.
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