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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by snapplebobapple »

omginternets wrote: post #281
segasaturn wrote: post #268

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Do LGBT people in Russia deliberately target non-combattants with shocking levels of violence? If not, then the definition might still hold meaning and Russia's appellation might be ridiculous.

just to our ears and sometimes eyes during lgbt parade season, at least by this new definition of violence where the only requirement for it to be violence is for someone to make the claim that it is.......

In all seriousness though why even engage this line of argument at this point? very few brain cells are required to understand the solar system sized gap between the standards used for a western country to label something terrorist and for Russia (or Iran, or China, etc...). The argument is either being made in bad faith or in fanaticism driven ignorance, neither of which words on the internet will change. The correct and only action for this level of argument is ridicule.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by rtsil »

stetrain wrote: post #226
Arch485 wrote: post #192

I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

The definition of terrorism is controversial and political, so there isn't a hard answer. But I think a general distinction is the targeting of combatants vs civilians. There is a difference between infiltrating military or para-military organizations or operations and intentionally targeting mass casualties of civilians for attention.

I don't know about that. When Al Quaeda attacked the USS Cole, a purely military vessel without a single civilian casualty, the US administration and the entire US military called it an act of terrorrism.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by maronato »

minkles wrote: post #219
Arch485 wrote: post #192

I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

Considering Hezbollah is a designated terrorist organisation in many countries, this probably should be considered an anti-terrorist operation. The targets are enemy combatants. Also notably, it clearly did not intentionally target civilians, although there may be civilian casualties which is uncharacteristic of a terrorist attack.

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by yoavm »

gherard5555 wrote: post #4

If i understood correctly they were rigged with explosive. There is no way that a regular battery would explode like this right ?

Some reports are saying the Icom-V82 devices were bought by Hezbollah 5 months ago, close to the time yesterday's beeper were purchased. However, the exploding part was the battery, imported to Lebanon only 2 weeks ago.

I wonder if this operation had two sides - implanting something in the devices that will allow remotely triggering the explosion, and then also tampering with the batteries to include explosive material.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by omginternets »

segasaturn wrote: post #348
minkles wrote: post #306

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This is a straw man argument. I designate you as a banana! There, the word banana is now meaningless. It is quite well defined.

My point is that countries designate groups of people as "terrorists" all the time for political reasons. Here's another example: "Venezuela: UN experts condemn use of counter-terrorism laws to convict trade unionists and labour leaders" https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/08/venezuela-un...

Yes, and his point is that "terrorism" is still a meaningful term for groups like Hamas.

But we know you understand this.

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Post by Zironic »

steventhedev wrote: post #180
Zironic wrote: post #132

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Yeah, I can't say I'm a big fan of this massive scale booby trapping devices all over civilian society and I suspect most nation stats are not very happy about this either. The EU is probably not going to be happy at all about Israel using an EU flagged company to do it either. This is going to create a lot of distrust in the international supply chain.

I can imagine the EU is far more interested in an EU flagged company doing business with Hezbollah who are a designated terrorist organization and subject to sanctions. If there's one thing you learn quick in fintech - it's you absolutely do not fuck with sanctions.

If it was a real company that would be the case. However from what I've read the journalists looking into BAC Consulting has found it to be a company in name only with no actual offices or hungarian employees.

It makes me slightly curious which company Israel convinced to actually produce these pagers and radios.

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Post by atemerev »

mardifoufs wrote: post #336
atemerev wrote: post #320

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Depends on which side you are on.

I mean regardless of which side you're on, you still wouldn't want to end up with a product that has a bomb in it by accident, even if it wasn't targeted against you.

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Post by codedokode »

mschuster91 wrote: post #277
rozap wrote: post #202

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Israel is not really an ally. They routinely spy on the US, and according the the CIA, spy on us as aggressively as the Chinese and Russians do. During the Cold war, they used intel as a bargaining chip and passed classified material to the Soviets. Their nuclear program was started primarily with stolen radioactive material that they exfiltrated from the US. These stories go on and on and on, and they're just the on…

The primary reason why Israel is widely considered an ally is their extensive intel network across Arabia and possibly half of Africa. No one matches the Mossad and the semi-private private intel industry of Israel in terms of capabilities. Another reason is that Israel is a relatively stable, Western aligned democracy in a sea of dictatorships, kingdoms, fiefdoms and failed states... which are all organized in OPEC.…

But OPEC is not a military organization. It is just minor countries trying to agree on a fair and just price of oil.

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Post by Duwensatzaj »

freehorse wrote: post #229
exe34 wrote: post #170

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this was a special shipment created for the terrorists. this isn't just putting a bomb into every pager.

Were the kids killed also terrorists?

Any kids killed were accidental as opposed to the Hezbollah rockets shot at northern Israel. When those rockets killed 12 kids playing soccer those deaths were intentional.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by ivan_gammel »

codedokode wrote: post #292
ivan_gammel wrote: post #220

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It is terrorism if the attack is planned in such a way, where innocent people will suffer with very high probability and nothing is done to prevent that.

How can we qualify atomic bombing of Japan during WW2 under this definition?

War crime. Same as Coventry, Dresden and Leningrad.
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