When you don't understand,
the teacher is the answer.
When you understand, everything is your teacher.
I don't believe the word 'memorize' can be replaced for the word 'understanding'
Does creativity involves understanding?
Perhaps.
Creativity fundamentally comes from memorization?
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Re: Creativity fundamentally comes from memorization?
#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
Forgoing factor of safety is not creativity. You most certainly can be creative without remembering the facts.
> You most certainly can be creative without remembering the facts. I've seen enough episodes of "Aviation Disasters", each of which dissects a crash or an averted crash, to not buy that. There was once a 727 that suffered an autopilot failure, which rolled it over into a steep dive. The speed exceeded them max speed, and due to separation the controls could not "bite" into the air. The creative pilot thought he migh…
How are any of those examples of "needing to remember the facts to be creative"?
Re: Creativity fundamentally comes from memorization?
#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe because UK education system knows about this PISA and Ukraine and other countries don't even care? For example one thing that puzzles me in western education is this reading comprehension. What exactly is this for? I studied in Russian school/university and we had nothing like that. Reading means you should understand what you are reading, reading without comprehension is just nonsense for me.
I am Spanish. We call it text analysis and it is quit common at all levels in school and university.
So what exactly is it supposed to teach/train? If I understand meaning of individual words in the text I just put them together and I understand it. If its relatively complex topic I would sit and think about it.
Re: Creativity fundamentally comes from memorization?
#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
Appreciate this, that's exactly it -- not challenging any existing theories or academia. Not even saying I'm right or novel. Just sharing a framework born from my observations that is actively working for me. Honestly didn't even think this was that controversial, imo the best criticism on here is that my essay was "semi-obvious"
Except that commenter had construed my sarcastic point and made it about academia. It is an irrelevant reading of the remark. They had a reading comprehension problem. Without sarcasm, my point was/is not that you need to know all the theories or engage with academia or write a formal paper. Rather, my point is that if you're going to write on a topic, at least know what the basic science has to say on it. You wouldn…
I disagree, I think writing purely based off anecdotal evidence is fine as long as you're not making scientific claims (which I'm not).
Simply sharing what works for me and why I think it does for something as personal as creativity is not the same as contesting mask wearing or recycling.
Is there some specific point in my piece that disagrees with consensus that's not just contesting the definition of "memorization" (as seems to be common in this thread)?
Re: Creativity fundamentally comes from memorization?
#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a classical pianist their comment about scales memorization was highly problematic.
I hadn't got that far, but went to have a look and yeah, as a fellow pianist I concur. Then I saw the following paragraph: "Another strategy that works well in both humor and famous EDM drops is "violating the expectation", but you need to know the expectation before you can violate it. Once you learn music theory, you're able to violate it in ways that resonate." You absolutely do not need to know anything about mus…
Thanks for reading!
The "it" in "before you can violate it" is referring to music theory not the drop (maybe bad writing on my part).
I also grew up as a classical pianist.
Not saying creativity is memory, just saying creativity is enabled by memory (which I think agrees with you said about difficulties getting into that state if you haven't practised enough)
Re: Creativity fundamentally comes from memorization?
#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you assume Ukrainian math is memorization based? They actually do a lot of problem solving, they are not doing rote memorization.
Indian math system is not memorisation based either. Math anywhere in the world is all about how many patterns you know/seen. And inventing new math is all about changing one small thing about the stuff you already know and see if it remains logically consistent. Knowing what to change largely depends on the stuff you already know. To that end even if you don't memorize facts, you still need to memorize patterns. You…
You don't "memorize" when learning math. You solve problems and then you happen to learn to recognize patterns and start to remember some things. Those are not the same learning activities.
Memorization is something else. I have seen students trying to memorize math and these were all bad students. Completely lost when the exercise changed slightly.
If we start to use "memorization" for "any time something is remembered" then the word will loose its meaning.
Re: Creativity fundamentally comes from memorization?
#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like you totally missed the point and then reiterated exactly what they said in another way.
Not really. Their point was that you need to lick a lot of objects. My point is that it doesn't need to be a lot, just enough to be able to form generalisations based on other observable characteristics. It's about the degree of "a lot".
> My point is that it doesn't need to be a lot
I’m learning piano at the moment, and it is taking me a lot of playing to build up those generalisations you’re talking about. I’ve only been at it for 2 years at this point and I still feel like a beginner.
How much programming do you need to do to build an intuitive sense of all the programs? I’ve been programming for 30 years and I’d say I started to have a usable intuition around 10 years in.
I’m not sure what “a lot” means to you, but a decade of practice seems like a lot to me. It’s a lot more effort than most people are willing to invest in their hobbies and, in many cases, their careers.
Re: Creativity fundamentally comes from memorization?
#358OP and others here are stretching the definition of “memorize” to mean “anything that leads to something being retained in memory.” I reject this idea. The trauma of burning your hand on a hot pan creates a memory you won’t soon forget, but almost no one would understand it as an act of memorization. Memorization to me refers to a set of cargo-culty “learning” practices wherein we believe that by using language to dr…
> We do this mainly because experts suck at empathizing with learners and fail to understand that the symbol has meaning for them but not for the learner. I hear you; but teaching deep expertise is really hard. We can use your example of a child learning their first language. They will really understand it. But people are famously, hilariously terrible at teaching their native tongue. We know how to conjugate, and ho…
Kinesthetic learners know exactly what you are talking about. Others may have no clue. Just a moment ago I identified which pill bottle I needed to open by shaking it. The sound prompted an image of the pill shape and density. This interconnectedness of sign systems and our human ability to read them can truly emerge in brilliant every day ways. I agree nothing replaces experience, especially for kinesthetic learners.
Re: Creativity fundamentally comes from memorization?
#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
Zero of the EEs I have known need that (where did yours graduate from?) The mnemonic to remember V = I * R is as a triangle with V at the top and I, R on the second row, the same way you remember the relation Distance = Speed * Time or Mass = Density * Volume in high school. Or any other triangular multiplicative relation.
That's odd to me... if I were to visualize any product relationship, it would be a box with edges labeled with two factors and the inside (area) labeled with the product.
Whichever mnemonic works best for you. A triangle or pyramid for multiplicative relationships is near-universal:
https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/mv19kv/my_teach...
Also, [Mechanical] Work = Force * distance [through which the force acts], [Electrical] Power = Voltage * Current, etc. etc.
Re: Creativity fundamentally comes from memorization?
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