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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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KHTML was the basis for Chrome and Safari. A valid concern

WebKit is still an open project as is Blink. Why would this be concerning?

My comment was a response. It's a concern for Ladybird not Webkit. It's about the licence. But OP is ok with that so.

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Can anyone explain like I'm an idiot concrete reasons how Google Chrome's dominance is bad for the web? Preferably things that have actually happened, not what might happen

Would you want to have all smart TVs manufactured by the dominant advertising company? How do you think that would turn out?

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Can anyone explain like I'm an idiot concrete reasons how Google Chrome's dominance is bad for the web? Preferably things that have actually happened, not what might happen

IMO the more interesting question is "why not fork Chromium"? The corporate effects of a browser monopoly are pretty obvious.

The less obvious question, and Im genuinely curious, is why do you need to rewrite the engines when there are at least 2 good compliant open source ones? The only way an engine rewrite is worthwhile is if yours is significantly leaner or faster, both seem very unlikely. An seemingly-impossible milestone of hitting party isnt that interesting, is it?

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Seeing someone ignore the naysayers and attempt the so-called impossible task of developing a new independent browser is awesome to see. It brings a glimmer of hope that the internet is not doomed to be ruled by advertising companies with only a stagnant controlled opposition browser as the alternative. That said, Ladybird is obviously far from becoming the daily driver for the average webizen. What do you think is g…

> Seeing someone ignore the naysayers and attempt the so-called impossible task of developing a new independent browser is awesome to see

Well the impossibility isn't so much in making a browser but making a browser that manages to get a chunk of web audience.

That means presence on mobile, feature and performance parity with Chrome, surprasing Chrome on some level (e.g. Safari having better vendor lock-in).

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Chrome in itself is not the problem. Competition is good. Firefox is better now thanks to Chrome. Neither is Safari. Safari is actually part of the solution. Safari has saved Firefox and other browsers by being the only option on iOS for a long time and a better choice for many (because of battery usage) on Mac OS. Without Safari I am afraid we would all be locked into Chrome now. The problem is that Google, like Mic…

> Safari is actually part of the solution ... > Google, like microsoft, If you're going to complain about 1-3 for google and ms, I don't think you can praise safari in the same breath. Apple's abused their position with the iPhone to make safari relevant, and unlike Chrome and IE, users can't just install another browser. Apple's behavior is the only reason I can't run my own addons I've written for firefox on iOS (t…

Orion Browser includes experimental Firefox extension support on iOS https://kagi.com/orion/

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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I use Firefox every day, but they have lost so much market share that they have become pretty insignificant. They seem to have an oversized and poor management with fat paychecks.

Don't know about oversized, it felt partly more that eg. Baker was mostly interested in Mozilla as a platform for activism, not in making a good tool for users. The new interim CEO seems to have breathed life into actual browser development.

The new interim CEO has been there for such a short time that she can't possibly have breathed life in anything (she managed to get sued by the former CPO for health based discrimination though, so there's that).

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Hi Andreas,

First, thanks for this project and making your self accessible!

Will "plug-in" or "add-on" support be a first-party concept in Ladybird?

I ask that because in years past a few other browsers (Konqueror, Falkon, Dillo, etc) made it pretty far but lacking add-ons, useful capability such as 'NoScript' or 'uBlock' or even a tab manager made them non-starters.

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If I'm not wrong Firefox is already Rust. The language was even created inside Mozilla.

It is. They realized that writing a modern browser (i.e. one that for example uses multiple cores efficiently by doing layout/rendering/etc in parallel) is almost impossible in C++. To the point where creating a whole new language just to solve the problem would be a smaller undertaking. Which says something about the scope of this problem. And I really do think they are right.

Eh that is a huge stretch. Besides Firefox is still significantly less performant than Chromium.

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post #354

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Seeing someone ignore the naysayers and attempt the so-called impossible task of developing a new independent browser is awesome to see. It brings a glimmer of hope that the internet is not doomed to be ruled by advertising companies with only a stagnant controlled opposition browser as the alternative. That said, Ladybird is obviously far from becoming the daily driver for the average webizen. What do you think is g…

> Seeing someone ignore the naysayers and attempt the so-called impossible task of developing a new independent browser is awesome to see Well the impossibility isn't so much in making a browser but making a browser that manages to get a chunk of web audience. That means presence on mobile, feature and performance parity with Chrome, surprasing Chrome on some level (e.g. Safari having better vendor lock-in).

Safari is better than Chrome in many ways, arguably most.
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