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Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by Anotheroneagain »

ivanbakel wrote: post #338
Anotheroneagain wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, farmers destroyed their crops and starved. Is that how you understand it? I'm not obligated to find a proof against fiction, when all real accounts show food prices almost halving in a decade, in fact I would be willing to speculate that the dust storms that came were in fact caused by the abandonment and large areas being left unsown, with no cover to hold the soil together.

>So, farmers destroyed their crops and starved. Is that how you understand it? Wealthy farmers destroyed crops that weren't worth the money to sell, yes, and poor farmers went under. That's not a surprising idea, given that it continues to happen in our modern farming system all the time during periods of overproduction. >I'm not obligated to find a proof against fiction But you might be compelled to give some counte…

You can't have an excess of food and famine at the same time. There are no records of famine, in fact food prices were dropping. (https://www65.statcan.gc.ca/acyb02/1937/acyb02_19370800009a-...)

All first hand accounts of the dust bowl talk about sandstorms bringing sand, everything getting burried in sand. No first hand accounts seem to talk about fields getting stripped of soil, that was documented after the fact. This suggests that the source of the dust were fields that had been abandoned.

It doesn't even make sense, Oklahoma isn't dry, the American south is very humid.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by ivanbakel »

Anotheroneagain wrote: post #351
ivanbakel wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So, farmers destroyed their crops and starved. Is that how you understand it? Wealthy farmers destroyed crops that weren't worth the money to sell, yes, and poor farmers went under. That's not a surprising idea, given that it continues to happen in our modern farming system all the time during periods of overproduction. >I'm not obligated to find a proof against fiction But you might be compelled to give some counte…

You can't have an excess of food and famine at the same time. There are no records of famine, in fact food prices were dropping. ( https://www65.statcan.gc.ca/acyb02/1937/acyb02_19370800009a-... ) All first hand accounts of the dust bowl talk about sandstorms bringing sand, everything getting burried in sand. No first hand accounts seem to talk about fields getting stripped of soil, that was documented after the fact…

>You can't have an excess of food and famine at the same time.

Sure you can. Food supply is not just a question of production, you also need logistics and will to distribute. There is currently a global food surplus, but areas of the world are still undergoing famine.

>in fact food prices were dropping

Up to 1931. If you look at the data into the actual Dust Bowl years, 1932 to 1936, prices go back up significantly.

>It doesn't even make sense, Oklahoma isn't dry, the American south is very humid.

But the Dust Bowl occurred in an extended drought period when Oklahoma was incredibly dry. And while it's true that topsoil was lost from fields that weren't farmed, those fields were fallow because of the drought - crops couldn't be grown in the dry conditions.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by mindslight »

cornholio wrote: post #350
mindslight wrote: post #341

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Do you think the idea of binary analysis does not exist? Or that courts don't have a long history of deciding questions of judgement? The problem is also fundamentally quite similar to proving that a published binary is/isn't a derivative work of someone else's work. Also handcrafted assembly isn't sufficient for your argument, but rather one would have to directly write a binary with a hex editor. Show me any binary…

> the burden of proof would be on anyone claiming that a large binary is direct creation That's not how any of this works. Once I've submitted my binary to the escrow, then it's an original work worthy of copyright until challenged. If someone breaks my copyright, I simply assert my originality and get an injunction against it by default. If the adversary claims my work is a derivative, then the legal burden is on th…

> That's not how any of this works. Once I've submitted my binary to the escrow, then it's an original work worthy of copyright until challenged

Are you referring to some existing system? Because otherwise we're discussing in the abstract how this could work. And it would be straightforward for the copyright office to have a rule prima facie rejecting machine-executable binaries being claimed as original works, unless compelling proof were submitted that it had been directly created. Because as I said, show me any substantial executable that has been directly created with a hex editor.

The idea of a company choosing a few critical parts that they then (honestly or dishonestly) claim as original binary works is interesting. But note that this still would go a long way towards making the overall work part of the public domain when it expired - such blobs are highly unlikely to contain references to libraries with API churn and whatnot. And even if they somehow do, since they are small enough to be directly worked on, they can be directly fixed.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by mindslight »

kube-system wrote: post #349
mindslight wrote: post #345

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Sure. I think our disconnect is that I don't think it's appropriate to use the word "share" to describe this. Exchanging something for money is not "sharing", it's business. So when you said " the primary purpose of [imaginary property] law is to encourage sharing ", I took that to be referencing when a work enters the public domain after the exclusive copyright term. And my overall point is that a work that has been…

The type of "sharing" that copyright was intended to facilitate is "make it part of the corpus of cultural works enjoyed by the people" in contrast to "art is something that rich people commission and then hoard in a palace". You can disagree with my choice of word if you want, it's orthogonal to the point I was making above -- people can access more media today than ever, art and culture is flourishing. Copyright (i…

Then isn't your argument just the standard imaginary property maximalist argument in support of creating a unilateral property right? All of that access/enjoyment/whatever you're talking about can still occur under the complete control of the publisher. Whereas copyright law at least purported to strike a balance between those receiving the artificially-created property rights, and the rest of society having created it for them.

And no I'm not talking about a right of collaboration. "Collaboration" implies the original author is still alive and even participates with some back and forth. I'm talking about the ability to simply use creative works after they're supposed to have become part of the public domain - not still locked behind the non-expiring technical block of digital restrictions management, not unusable due to API churn, etc.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by Anotheroneagain »

ivanbakel wrote: post #352
Anotheroneagain wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't have an excess of food and famine at the same time. There are no records of famine, in fact food prices were dropping. ( https://www65.statcan.gc.ca/acyb02/1937/acyb02_19370800009a-... ) All first hand accounts of the dust bowl talk about sandstorms bringing sand, everything getting burried in sand. No first hand accounts seem to talk about fields getting stripped of soil, that was documented after the fact…

>You can't have an excess of food and famine at the same time. Sure you can. Food supply is not just a question of production, you also need logistics and will to distribute. There is currently a global food surplus, but areas of the world are still undergoing famine. >in fact food prices were dropping Up to 1931. If you look at the data into the actual Dust Bowl years, 1932 to 1936, prices go back up significantly.…

500mm isn't low by any means, it's moderate. Almost all Europe has around 500mm annual rainfall. It may seem low compared to let's say Mississippi, but that is because Mississippi is as wet as it gets outside the tropics.

The fields were abandoned because the prices were so low that cultivating them wasn't profitable. This in fact could have caused the drought as well, as much of the rain in such climates is recycled - the water that evaporated rains back down. And, it can't evaporate well without plants to bring it up from the soil, but only the surface dries out. This might have lead to the dried out top layes getting repeatedly blown away, until the fields got successfully overgrown, and the rains returned.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by samspot »

sytelus wrote: post #127

This is complete incompetence from their leadership who show no value to their own content. They could have easily auctioned off/sold very old content to someone else but that kind of thinking would be beyond their competency. It's no wonder they go in such huge losses despite of having loyal audience and monopoly over unparalleled content. To this day I cannot get over the fact that there are literally millions docu…

They can still sell it. We shouldn't assume because the webservers were shut down that everything is deleted and gone. When the article says it's "gone" they mean it is no longer available to the public.
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