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Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

> It's hard to convey without coming off as unhinged Man. I have felt this way a whole lot lately. I think some people see Linux users and genuinely can't fathom how or why they'd want to go through all of the trouble choosing to use Linux and doing real work on it. A lot of us look back just as puzzled, because when I switched to a Linux desktop for the first time in around 2004, it was definitely a choice, but it h…

> why they'd want to go through all of the trouble choosing to use Linux

What trouble? Try to install Fedora and Win 11 and tell us which is faster and simpler.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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> It's hard to convey without coming off as unhinged Man. I have felt this way a whole lot lately. I think some people see Linux users and genuinely can't fathom how or why they'd want to go through all of the trouble choosing to use Linux and doing real work on it. A lot of us look back just as puzzled, because when I switched to a Linux desktop for the first time in around 2004, it was definitely a choice, but it h…

There was an incident a week or two ago, where one chess player demanded brand new computers to be unboxed before the chess match[1] begins. Every day of the match, to unbox new computers, because he didn't want the software to be tinkered with by no one. So they unbox the computers every day, and they have to wait an hour or more, a team of 10 people, for windows update to finish and start the match. Windows update…

To be fair this is about Kramnik who is completely unhinged and paranoid. No one in the chess community treats him seriously any more. He's a meme now.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Is using server editions of Windows as desktop OSs any better? I mean in regards to making such changes (without explicit user's consent, at least) and wasting system resources with [background running] junkware, for instance.

At some point they had a 6 month trial for Server editions. It was a bit clunky to setup (audio support is not installed by default and I had to dig the old Xbox controller driver for W7 I think) but is otherwise a pretty good experience. Absolutely zero bullshit features installed and never changes things on its own. The only issues I had were the version check of the Oculus installer (praise the soul on reddit who…

> Absolutely zero bullshit features installed and never changes things on its own.

That's it. For me, that's [unfortunately] the only "realistic" alternative out there, if one wouldn't mind the extra bucks, is somehow dependent on Windows environment and/or has no time to keep hacking and experiencing with Linux desktops.

I've grown to love Linux as a wonderful server OS, and as an occasional Desktop OS to play with on a VM. Unless you're a hacker (at both work and in your free time), it's hard to keep using Linux as a main daily Desktop OS.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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post #101

This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

I don't like leaving negative or hyperbolic comments on HN, but this was enraging and unacceptable to me. It's hard to convey without coming off as unhinged You're not unhinged, there's been a fundamental change in internet culture and the early 2000s free internet people are considered loony now. Ive been laughed out of Discord groups(it's what the under 30s use these days instead of chats and forums, and is itself…

I'm with you. They just don't know any better. Discord is a prime example of how complete garbage software can become dominant because modern day users set the bar really low.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Does anyone seriously use Microsoft OneDrive for backup?

It's 300,000 file limit means pretty much no developer would risk it considering the thousands of files in a typical app.

Believe me when OneDrive lost a heap of my files this year I was not impressed to learn of this serious limitation. To be fair GoogleDrive and DropBox also have similar limitations.

Azure Storage on the other hand doesn't have the limitation, is much cheaper and much faster. It's UI sux though.

I'm still searching for a reasonable cloud backup solution. Until then cheap external drives are the answer.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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I'm all for hating on Microsoft for their continued destruction of the local Windows 11 experience, but I actually think this is a good decision. Assuming you're logging in with a Microsoft account, and assuming you have a OneDrive account, it's a better experience to set up the folder backup feature as early as possible in the set-up process. If you really don't want it, it's easy to undo. I still don't like being f…

What you refer to as a backup in reality is data exfiltration from users' computers. Terrible idea for a million reasons.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Yes, but the question is how they implemented it. Are there dark patterns, is it all-or-nothing, etc.? Also, with iCloud being at the heart of Apple's ecosystem, a simple bug may very well cause accidental sharing of sensitive data. Even if that never happens, it does not make me sleep better.

Apple’s apps make it pretty clear when something is local and when something is in iCloud. Even for iCloud users, it’s usually an explicit choice per file or object. Photos is the notable exception.

I don't want to worry about exceptions.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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I literally did an install of Win 11 this week - trying to stay offline didn't work, trying to enter false details didn't work, couldn't find any other tricks and so had to make yet another account. Got it installed, added the family as users, tried to login to my young child's freshly minted account. Apart from taking forever, you then have to go through all the "let us copy all your data" and "we're going to advert…

From what I see the only working method for creating an offline account is during the windows setup when you press shift + F10 which will spawn a command line window where you have to enter "oobe\bypassnro" which will reboot the computer and on the wifi selection screen will give you a "I don't have an internet connection" button Won't work though if you're Already configured for wifi

I screwed up and connected to wifi before using the oobe\bypassnro command.

I had to block the PC from accessing the Internet in my router settings to get the "I don't have an internet connection" button back.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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For now. The kids (incoming college students over the last couple years) like Google’s office suite better as far as I’ve seen. Anyway, real documents are written in LaTeX. Windows lives in this in-between space where it isn’t as easy Google/Apple stuff, but it isn’t as good as Linux. That gap is always closing.

"real documents are written in LaTeX" Tell me you've never had a job in the real world without telling me you've never had a job in the real world

I've been in the industry for over 10 years, and I haven't seen anyone use Word since high school.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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IMO While Apple are pushing iCloud harder than they really should be allowed to, but it's nowhere near as bad as what Microsoft are doing. With Apple there's a simple opt-out in the setup wizard, and if you opt-out you stay opted-out (and are only prompted to opt-in once a year with the major OS update).

On a new device iCloud is not opt-out . Yesterday I installed a new iPad and had to go to iCloud settings and turn off syncing for some 30 services. Quite annoying.

I set up 3 new Mac laptops in the last month.

All of them had an option to skip iCloud login during setup.

Of course, you have to log in to iCloud to use the app store to get OS updates. Since I'm not an Apple user, I don't know if there are offline options available.

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