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> Building safe superintelligence (SSI) is the most important technical problem of our time. Call me a cranky old man but the superlatives in these sorts of announcements really annoy me. I want to ask: Have you surveyed every problem in the world? Are you aware of how much suffering there is outside of your office and how unresponsive it has been so far to improvements in artificial intelligence? Are you really sayi…

It is the most important problem of “our time” when you realize that the “our” here has the same meaning that it has in “our democracy”

Re: Safe Superintelligence Inc.

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What exactly is "safe" in this context, can someone give me an eli5? If it's "taking over the world" safe, does it not mean that this is a part of AGI?

> What exactly is "safe" in this context, can someone give me an eli5? In practice it essentially means the same thing as for most other AI companies - censored, restricted, and developed in secret so that "bad" people can't use it for "unsafe" things.

people view these as test cases for the much harder x-risk safety problem

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'Fearing a rise of killer robots is like worrying about overpopulation on Mars.' - Andrew Ng

Well, to steelman the ‘overpopulation on Mars’ argument a bit, feeding 4 colonists and feeding 8 is a 100% increase in food expenditure, which may or may not be possible over there. It might be courtains for a few of them if it comes to that.

I used to think I'd volunteer to go to Mars. But then I love the ocean, forests, fresh air, animals... and so on. So imagining myself in Mars' barren environment, missing Earth's nature feels downright terrible, which in turn, has taught me to take Earth's nature less for granted.

Can only imaging waking up on day 5 in my tiny Martian biohab realizing I'd made the wrong choice, and the only ride back arrives in 8 months, and will take ~9 months to get back to earth.

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This is a great opportunity to present my own company which is also working on developing not just a super intelligence but an ultra genius intelligence with a patented and trademarked architecture called the panoptic computronium cathedral™. We are so focused on development that we didn't even bother setting up an announcement page because it would have taken time away from the most important technical problem of ou…

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Re: Safe Superintelligence Inc.

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It’s amazing how someone so smart can be so naive. I do understand conceptually the idea that if we create intelligence greater than our own that we could struggle to control it. But does anyone have any meaningful thoughts on how this plays out? I hear our industry thought leaders clamoring over this but not a single actual concrete idea of what this means in practice. We have no idea what the fundamental architectu…

"how someone so smart can be so naive" Do you really think Ilya has not thought deeply about each and every one of your points here? There's plenty of answers to your criticisms if you look around instead of attacking.

I actually do think they have not thought deeply about it or are willfully ignoring the very obvious conclusions to their line of thinking.

Ilya has an exceptional ability extrapolate into the future from current technology. Their assessment of the eventual significance of AI is likely very correct. They should then understand that there will not be universal governance of AI. It’s not a nuclear bomb. It doesn’t rely on controlled access to difficult to acquire materials. It is information. It cannot be controlled forever. It will not be limited to nation states, but deployed - easily - by corporations, political action groups, governments, and terrorist groups alike.

If Ilya wants to make something that is guaranteed to avoid say curse words and be incapable of generating porn, then sure. They can probably achieve that. But there is this naive, and in all honesty, deceptive, framing that any amount of research, effort, or regulation will establish an airtight seal to prevent AI for being used in incredibly malicious ways.

Most of all because the most likely and fundamentally disruptive near term weaponization of AI is going to be amplification of disinformation campaigns - and it will be incredibly effective. You don’t need to build a bomb to dismantle democracy. You can simply convince its populace to install an autocrat favorable to your cause.

It is as naive as it gets. Ilya is an academic and sees a very real and very challenging academic problem, but all conversations in this space ignore the reality that knowledge of how to build AI safely will be very intentionally disregarded by those with an incentive to build AI unsafely.

Re: Safe Superintelligence Inc.

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Our current obsession with super-intelligence reminds me the great oxidation event a few billion years ago. Super-photosynthesis was finally achieved, and then there was a great extinction. If you believe that super-intelligence is unavoidable and a serious risk to humanity, then the sensible thing to do is to prepare to leave the planet, ala Battlestart Galactica. That's going to be easier than getting the powers th…

If the human cooperation problem is unsolvable, I doubt creating a new human society with the same capabilities elsewhere would do much at all.

Humans and their ancestors have reproduced on earth for millions of years. I think the human cooperation problem is overstated. We cooperate more than fine, too well even to the detriment of other species.

Re: Safe Superintelligence Inc.

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> Building safe superintelligence (SSI) is the most important technical problem of our time. Call me a cranky old man but the superlatives in these sorts of announcements really annoy me. I want to ask: Have you surveyed every problem in the world? Are you aware of how much suffering there is outside of your office and how unresponsive it has been so far to improvements in artificial intelligence? Are you really sayi…

I think the idea is that a safe super intelligence would help solve those problems. I am skeptical because the vast majority are social coordination problems, and I don’t see how a machine intelligence no matter how smart can help with that.

I largely agree, although I do see how AI can help with social coordination problems, for example by helping elected leaders be more responsive to what their constituents need. (I spend a lot of my own time working with researchers at that intersection.) But social coordination benefits from energy research, too, and from biology research, and from the humanities, and from the arts. Computer science can't singlehandedly "solve" these problems any more than the other fields can; they are needed together, hence my gripe about total-orderings.

Re: Safe Superintelligence Inc.

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Ilya's issue isn't developing a Safe AI. Its developing a Safe Business. You can make a safe AI today, but what happens when the next person is managing things? Are they so kindhearted, or are they cold and calculated like the management of many harmful industries today? If you solve the issue of Safe Business and eliminate the incentive structures that lead to 'unsafe' business, you basically obviate a lot of the so…

The safe business won’t hold very long if someone can gain a short term business advantage with unsafe AI. Eventually government has to step in with a legal and enforcement framework to prevent greed from ruining things.
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