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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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We've been able to lock notes in the Notes app for a while either with a password or Touch/FaceID.

Oh, you can? I should look into that then, thanks. I’ve vaguely settled on Notes as “I guess this is the least shitty replacement for the specific way Evernote fit I to my life” but have never actually sat down with its manual to see what it can actually do. Hopefully Adobe won’t decide to start shitting a bunch of authorization credentials into private Notes the way they took over the Private Notes section of Keycha…

Notes has become one of the better (best) first-party software offerings from Apple. They seem to have a really good team working on it.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

I have been fighting switching to the SaaS version. Paying a monthly fee for access to my passwords is highway robbery. I do not want/need any of these other "services" they forced upon me. I have trying Apples keychain, but that migration is slow and a total pain in the ass. And it's not even a good replacement. I'm sure 1Password doesn't care one iota about loosing individual users with attitudes like this. Until t…

> I have been fighting switching to the SaaS version

I felt that way on principle for a long time, but honestly, on reflection, 1P is probably subscription that is most justifiable. I want to outsource online security to people that know what they are doing. I want that to be a viable business for a long time into the future. And I want their funding model to be such that their interests are aligned with those of their paying users (me).

People can get so irrational when it comes to the cost of software. The same person who'd pay hundreds of dollars for a cleaner, or a gym membership, will swear up and down that 70 bucks a year for an online bodyguard is highway robbery.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login.

> I think this is exactly what _most_ people want.

Until they don't, which always happens sooner than you would think.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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post #293

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You'd try Bitwarden...

I was a BW customer and switched to 1P. 1P is so much better. The clients are better and the syncing of sessions between the browser, desktop, and CLI is amazing. 1P has great integration with Linux and SSH too.

Long, long, long-time 1P user (2007?) increasingly fed up with their anti-consumer practices (dishonestly hiding discussions on their community forum about App Store versions and dismissive “responses” were the final straw).

So I put vaultwarden on the cluster at home, built a backup routine I was comfortable with and started using BitWarden to evaluate it before trying to help the whole family switch (we have 8 users, including a grandmother and grandfather from different sides of the family).

All this to say, I have to agree. I could not, and will not, switch my family to BitWarden (for the foreseeable future). Search is AWFUL, there’s no way to sort my passwords (recently added, recently updated, etc.) and the clients are way way way slower than 1P (sure, probably in part to server on an underpowered compute instance). However, even the “offline behaviour” (when BitWarden clients can’t contact the server) is slow, and sometimes syncing just doesn’t work.

I completely agree, the worst part is just how limited and clumsy the front-end is for secret storing. It’s limited, ugly, and often hard to parse visually. I can’t imagine trying to help my aging father use it on his desktop, much less his smartphone - where he’s had great success with 1P.

While I continue to have great disdain for AgileBits, 1P is still the most user friendly password manager for a group that includes definitely-not-technically-inclined people. I wish it wasn’t, I wish I could stop giving them money, but compared to the competition, there’s just nothing else that comes close.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

> It's also why I refuse to buy more into Google products: it's too much of a risk to lose access to everything if Google wakes up one day and decides to suspend your account There's a difference between Google's products and Google's services. You can use either one without the other. I am a happy user of Google hardware, and am even happier to be almost entirely extricated from their services.

Do you mean stuff like Pixel but with a degoogled version of Android?

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Someday I hope a company might emerge that develops things for the sake of developing things to enhance their popularity.

That's contradictory; what you're looking for is a charity. A company does things for the sake of profit.

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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I've been using KeePassXC on Mac and Windows and sync them between each other with Unison[1]. I'd be curious to learn how others who are using KeePassXC are syncing there databases with iPhone. [1] https://gist.github.com/jftuga/0265e5403d56373662b9513d8816e...

KeePassium + db file on Google Drive through Files app

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

How many people use Mac and Windows at the same time? There are some, but I bet most people do not use multiple OS. Usually, people who have a Mac have an iPhone and maybe an iPad. They are entirely in the Apple ecosystem because they see all the benefits when all those devices work seamlessly together.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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I always feel like these password solutions are there to lock you into their platform. I would never use Apples nor Mozillas password solutions personally.

It is very hard to move from iCloud Keychain to KeePassXC. Export functionality does not exist in the "Passwords" section of the settings on iPhone. It is also not available in the iCloud for Web. So, I had to go through all my passwords and reset them + create new entries in KeePassXC, one by one, which is very annoying. :-)
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