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Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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post #88

From Sam Altman: > this is on me and one of the few times i've been genuinely embarrassed running openai; i did not know this was happening and i should have. Bullshit. Presumably Sam Altman has 20 IQ points on me. He obviously knows better. I was a CEO for 25 years and no contract was issued without my knowing every element in it. In fact, I had them all written by lawyers in plain English, resorting to all caps and…

Maybe he was to busy being kicked out of the company... /s

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

#352
post #4

What surprises me about these stories surrounding openAI is how they apologize while lying and downplaying any blame. Do they expect anybody to believe they didn’t know about clawback clauses?

Do they care? The mob will shout for a week or two and then turn their attention somewhere else. spez (the reddit chief) said something like that about their users, and he was absolutely right. A few days ago I was re-reading some of those threads about reddit API changes from ten months back where so many users claimed it was their last message and they were leaving for good. Almost none of them did. I checked two d…

> A few days ago I was re-reading some of those threads about reddit API changes from ten months back where so many users claimed it was their last message and they were leaving for good. Almost none of them did. I checked two dozen profiles and all but one of them had fresh comments posted within that same day.

Lots of people have pointed out problems with your determination, but here's another one: can you really tell none of those people are posting to subvert reddit? I'm not going to go into details for privacy reasons, but I've "quit" websites in protest while continuing to post subversive content afterwards. Even after I "quit," I'm sure my activity looked good in the site's internal metrics, even though it was 100% focused on discouraging other users.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

#353

They could have been cool. They could have been 2001 Google. They could have been the number one place any new PhD wanted to work. But no. The MBAs saw dollar signs, and everything went out the window. They fumbled the early mover advantage, and will be hollowed out by the competition and commodified by the PaaS giants. What a shame.

Instead of taking 15 years to drop the "don't be evil" act like Google, the new AI companies did it in two! e/acc, baby!

what does e/acc mean?

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

#354

Why anyone trusts Altman or OpenAI with something as societally consequential as AI is beyond me.

Well that's the problem, isn't it? The incentives align with trusting Altman to make a return on your investment, nothing more.

Investors don't really care about consequences that don't hit the bottom line prior to an exit. Consumers are largely driven by hype. Throw a shiny object out there and induce FOMO, you'll get customers.

What we don't have are incentives for companies to give a damn. While that can easily lead to a call for even more government powers and regulation, in my opinion we won't get anywhere until we have an educated populous. If the average person either (a) understood the potential risks of actual AI or (b) knew that they didn't understand the risks we wouldn't have nearly as much money being pumped into the industry.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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post #339

It just seem petty, refusing to sign a simple document agreeing to not to trash your former employer (with whom you intend to continue to benefit from a shared interest in said company). It wasn't as if Altman was threatening to take back equity. Little more than a "just be nice, OK" and yet somehow that is asking too much?

Damn, is this Sammy's Sock or do you just have elementary level reading comprehension?

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

#357
post #4

What surprises me about these stories surrounding openAI is how they apologize while lying and downplaying any blame. Do they expect anybody to believe they didn’t know about clawback clauses?

Yep, it's more like he reviewed and/or requested those clauses to be there than anything else.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

#358

but sam said he was sorry in all lowercase so it must be okay

Semi off-topic, but the trend of AI influencers adopting the all-lowercase communication style in professional conversation has been very annoying. It makes them appear completely unserious. I recently received an job recruitment email for an AI role in all-lowercase and I was baffled how to interpret it.

> I recently received an job recruitment email

Yet you use "an" for a vowel that's miles away, so I don't like the way you type either.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

#359

It's really maddening just how right the board was.

While true, it doesn't mean they were offering a better alternative.

I wish more people didn't expect an alternative before getting rid if a bad situation. Sometimes subtraction, rather than replacement, is still the right answer.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

#360
post #122

I find it hard to believe that Sam didn’t know about something that draconian in something so sensitive as NDAs that affects to equity. He’s not exactly new to this whole startup thing and getting equity right is not a small part of that

He was obviously lying, and he probably also knew people would not believe it. I just don't know why he still chose to do it.

He's not candid.
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