From Sam Altman: > this is on me and one of the few times i've been genuinely embarrassed running openai; i did not know this was happening and i should have. Bullshit. Presumably Sam Altman has 20 IQ points on me. He obviously knows better. I was a CEO for 25 years and no contract was issued without my knowing every element in it. In fact, I had them all written by lawyers in plain English, resorting to all caps and…
Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees
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#352What surprises me about these stories surrounding openAI is how they apologize while lying and downplaying any blame. Do they expect anybody to believe they didn’t know about clawback clauses?
Do they care? The mob will shout for a week or two and then turn their attention somewhere else. spez (the reddit chief) said something like that about their users, and he was absolutely right. A few days ago I was re-reading some of those threads about reddit API changes from ten months back where so many users claimed it was their last message and they were leaving for good. Almost none of them did. I checked two d…
Lots of people have pointed out problems with your determination, but here's another one: can you really tell none of those people are posting to subvert reddit? I'm not going to go into details for privacy reasons, but I've "quit" websites in protest while continuing to post subversive content afterwards. Even after I "quit," I'm sure my activity looked good in the site's internal metrics, even though it was 100% focused on discouraging other users.
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#353They could have been cool. They could have been 2001 Google. They could have been the number one place any new PhD wanted to work. But no. The MBAs saw dollar signs, and everything went out the window. They fumbled the early mover advantage, and will be hollowed out by the competition and commodified by the PaaS giants. What a shame.
Instead of taking 15 years to drop the "don't be evil" act like Google, the new AI companies did it in two! e/acc, baby!
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#354Why anyone trusts Altman or OpenAI with something as societally consequential as AI is beyond me.
Investors don't really care about consequences that don't hit the bottom line prior to an exit. Consumers are largely driven by hype. Throw a shiny object out there and induce FOMO, you'll get customers.
What we don't have are incentives for companies to give a damn. While that can easily lead to a call for even more government powers and regulation, in my opinion we won't get anywhere until we have an educated populous. If the average person either (a) understood the potential risks of actual AI or (b) knew that they didn't understand the risks we wouldn't have nearly as much money being pumped into the industry.
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#356It just seem petty, refusing to sign a simple document agreeing to not to trash your former employer (with whom you intend to continue to benefit from a shared interest in said company). It wasn't as if Altman was threatening to take back equity. Little more than a "just be nice, OK" and yet somehow that is asking too much?
Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees
#357What surprises me about these stories surrounding openAI is how they apologize while lying and downplaying any blame. Do they expect anybody to believe they didn’t know about clawback clauses?
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#358but sam said he was sorry in all lowercase so it must be okay
Semi off-topic, but the trend of AI influencers adopting the all-lowercase communication style in professional conversation has been very annoying. It makes them appear completely unserious. I recently received an job recruitment email for an AI role in all-lowercase and I was baffled how to interpret it.
Yet you use "an" for a vowel that's miles away, so I don't like the way you type either.
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#359It's really maddening just how right the board was.
While true, it doesn't mean they were offering a better alternative.
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#360I find it hard to believe that Sam didn’t know about something that draconian in something so sensitive as NDAs that affects to equity. He’s not exactly new to this whole startup thing and getting equity right is not a small part of that
He was obviously lying, and he probably also knew people would not believe it. I just don't know why he still chose to do it.