I recently demonitized Spotify and am very happy with Bandcamp and Newpipe.
Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams
351–360 of 425 posts
Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams
#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
But does it provide a way for them to stream all of the artists catalog?
Yeah, most artists let you listen to the whole album before you buy it. Sometimes there are songs that don't have previews, and I think there are sometimes hidden songs included with the album but not even listed, but in general you can stream a few times before buying, and then stream as much as you want afterwards.
> but in general you can stream a few times before buying, and then stream as much as you want afterwards.
Not exactly what I have in mind. I am working with the model where all songs are always available (like Spotify) and people simply choose how (a) how much they want to give per month and (b) how to split this amount among their preferred artists.
In effect, it's the same as a "pay as you want", but there is no overhead of thinking about which songs to "buy".
Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams
#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even Spotify is smart enough to know that people will leave them if this ever happens.
No, that's the end game here. People already mostly have parasocial relationships with artists. There's already famous AI personality Instagrams and Vtubers. With the advent of Generative AI video like Sora and Generative AI music like Suno, people will find their perfect generative AI niche and follow an artist story/interaction that they can't even tell is real or not. Generative AI will create millions of niches,…
You might just be spot-on.
Some generative stuff will be more discernible than others.
The ones that don't even try to emulate the full experience of having a real artist involved will have a lot less friction.
And it's not like you're going to have a small niche audience that settles for artificial music, no there will be a niche that prefers it.
The size of that niche right now has nowhere to go but up.
Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams
#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have roughly 25-30 tracks on Spotify. They send me a monthly email detailing the number of plays I received as an artist, and it averages around 300. So each track is getting around 10 plays per month. So none of them come anywhere close to the minimum threshold. I made around $10/year from Spotify plays, it's a pittance, but over all the streaming platforms I would get enough for a new plugin each year, this makes…
Article states "threshold of 1,000 plays in the preceding 12 months". Sounds like you're well over that, at around 3-4K plays per year.
If I understand correctly it's each and every track needs 1k plays. As an artist over all my tracks I'd meet the threshold of 1k plays, but I don't think that's how it works.
Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams
#355The annoying thing is it is per track, not per album. This essentially demonetized all my bands albums since 1997 except for four tracks.
I would pull everything except 4 tracks off the platform then.
Spotify gets paid for that long tail, but you do not.
Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams
#356Paying a nominal amount for each stream is one matter; however, compensating nothing for smaller quantities while you pay for larger amounts presents a fundamentally different issue. This scenario is akin to an author not receiving royalties for the first 1,000 books sold in a bookstore, or a manufacturer not being paid for the first 1,000 candy bars sold at a grocery store. Such practices can be equated with theft.…
Steam does something similar for indie publishers. Unless you reach $100 in sales, you will not receive a check.
Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams
#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your arguments veers close to the "for exposure" payment. People don't go to indie concerts because of a spotify track. Nor to big name concerts. And 20 cents corresponds to around 50 to 100 plays according to the numbers mentioned here.
> People don't go to indie concerts because of a spotify track Anecdotically I've attended multiple gigs for artists I discovered via Spotify.
If Spotify's search page wasn't so broken and useless, I'd probably have gone to _more_ indie concerts.
Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams
#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
Article states "threshold of 1,000 plays in the preceding 12 months". Sounds like you're well over that, at around 3-4K plays per year.
If I understand correctly it's each and every track needs 1k plays. As an artist over all my tracks I'd meet the threshold of 1k plays, but I don't think that's how it works.
Yeah, good point. This would probably be better received overall if it were a per-artist minimum rather than a per-track.
On the other hand, that would make it pretty trivial for garbage/AI content distributors to circumvent.
Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams
#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Consumers generally don't want bundles, they want to buy the thing they're interested in. They have been able to buy the individual song for $1 to $2 for a long time.
I mean bundling unrelated services. A subscription to just access all the music is pretty useful if you want to listen to music, but then they decide it should also be attached to a subscription of cloud gaming, shopping, podcasts, it becomes anti-consumer. Eventually you won't be able to just subscribe to the thing you want, but you'll also have to rent the kitchen sink.
Those seem to be arbitrary lines to draw. What if someone only wants to stream heavy metal, rap, classical, electronic, English, Spanish, Hindi, 1950s to 1980s, etc.
Building podcasts or audiobooks or even other services is just a business decision. It’s like cable/satellite TV used to be. The market will figure out where to settle.
Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams
#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
Listening on Bandcamp right now - the song 'drop'. I like some pretty out there stuff, and this is right at the outer limits, and I mean that as a compliment. I might not "enjoy" it as one would traditionally enjoy listening to music, but I enjoy that it exists and the uniqueness of the experience it provides. If you can handle LAMC by Tool, you can handle this. 'kabelbrand' is giving me flashbacks to Providence by K…
i second that. i would not go to a concert, but it does have a certain quality. i can see this used in games or exhibits of industrial art.
We are an improvisational band, so no concert is alike ; )