You did did read the employment contract before you signed for your very own personalized but infernal handcuffs, didn't you? Bet you will find that clause, a clause often with no title but commonly referred to as the "moral clause" (or behavior code or morality clause or even "bad boy clause") that is embedded (often claimed by so-call-victims as "hidden") somewhere in the middle of your lengthy employment contract.…
Employment contracts don't really matter in the US. They can fire you for just about any reason they want at any time, regardless of whether or not it's mentioned in your so-called employment contract.
Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum
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Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum
#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hamas had 40,000 combatants before Oct 7th. It started a war on Israel and is still continuing that war. This war can be over today. It could have been over 3 months ago. It could have not started at all. Generally the areas leveled and bombed were evacuated from civilians. Yes, there were definitely many cases where civilians died from bombs but your statement is not relevant in the way you claim it is. If you were…
I am also sure that the finger on the trigger is very light on the Israeli side Based on what? Killing 200 people per day? Bombing people that are evacuating their homes after telling them to do it? https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/middleeast/israel-palestinian... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-wa... https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-10-13/israel... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/…
200 people per day is also not a reasonable metric. Would you prefer a 100 people per day over twice the time? Why do you think this means anything? There were many days in the war in Ukraine where more people died per day under completely different conditions and ofcourse the total number of people killed in that war is significantly higher as well. War. Look at comparable campaigns like the Battle of Mosul. And yes, I already acknowledged many civilians died from bombs and Israel after Oct 7th is certainly concerned less about that than before Oct 7th, but still following the rules of war and not targeting civilians intentionally. If there are 40,000 combatants scattered in a densely populated area and in tunnels and they're being attacked from the air with hundreds of bombs/day what are the expected civilian casualties? Do you think Israel should have done nothing? Would anyone else? Do you think Israeli ground forces should have walked into the area without bombing it so they can get slaughtered/ambushed/blown up? Israel would like nothing better than not having had to have this war.
The number of dead people is terrible, and the fault for all this lies squarely on the Hamas. The total number and the breakdown of civilians/combatants is not really known at this point. I don't trust the numbers from Hamas because they are motivated to manipulate them as is evident by us having this discussion. But for sure many people have died which again is terrible. But reducing the argument to "Israel kills people Israel bad" where provably nobody else in this world would do any different (See 9/11 or the war against ISIS) and provably Hamas initiated this cycle of violence and the evidence (despite your list) is that Israel isn't waging this war in a way that deviates significantly from other wars is an emotional response, not a rational one. We know why people aren't having these responses to the conflict in Yemen where 400k people were killed, the conflict in Syria where IIRC one million people were killed, or many other bad things going on in the world, it's because the media is pumping photos of Gaza destruction 24/7 and couldn't give a damn about what's going on anywhere else (including Ukraine).
I am going to answer your first question in good faith despite you not reciprocating. It's based on my knowledge of human nature and similar war circumstances. Anyone fighting in these situations would have a very light trigger finger because the difference between you being dead and the enemy being dead depends on that. You just have no idea what's going on in the ground, the tactics being used by Hamas etc.
EDIT: there have also been many friendly fire incidents and lots of IDF soliders killed by IDF fire, and the famous incident of the hostages being killed by the IDF. This is again indicative of the "light trigger finger" (because otherwise it's you that's dead) and the tactics used by Hamas.
Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum
#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am also sure that the finger on the trigger is very light on the Israeli side Based on what? Killing 200 people per day? Bombing people that are evacuating their homes after telling them to do it? https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/middleeast/israel-palestinian... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-wa... https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-10-13/israel... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/…
You're not approaching this discussion in good faith. It's a war and you're going to find many example of civilians get hit. There are many more incidents than what you list and it proves nothing (Other than the media bias and your manipulation by it, assuming you started from a neutral position). The bit about the UN top court is just political bullshit and you know it. But if your moral authority comes from UN coun…
I'm showing you real information from multiple worldwide news sources. You are writing huge paragraphs with no links to try to ignore a genocide in progress while repeating unsourced propaganda like "Gaza that want to rape, kill and mutiliate your citizens"
When you kill 1% of a population you are imprisoning in four months, destroy their homes, hospitals, infrastructure and water sources then kill people trying to bring them aid, that's genocide. If this was reversed you would call it genocide. If it was happening anywhere else you would call it genocide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_qaxLu-e6I
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/31/1222337109/the-israeli-army-a...
https://www.msf.org/attacks-humanitarian-workers-gaza-make-v...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/23/israeli-airstr...
Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum
#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
I live in a country which often uses the army to enforce law. I say with no uncertainty that an army is different from any other institution. They even have their own judiciary (martial court). Comparing Google to an army is... wrong in not only one sense.
It's right in the relevant sense here, namely that there is a hierarchy in place that you will face consequences for disrespecting.
Maybe the US army is less violent and more civil
Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum
#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
Offer to relocate the employee first? >"Staging a protest on a keynote sounds like a good reason to end it." Google had shutdown the private forum without a proper discussion. Remind employees they can work in other areas? Going tangent: What if they were denouncing racism? Would it still be correct to fire them immediately? What about alleged genocide?
> Offer to relocate the employee first? To Gaza? That's an interesting idea, but I don't think it'd work out very well. > Remind employees they can work in other areas? I don't think somebody who can't figure that out by themselves is really a very valuable asset. But also I don't think that's the problem. The person did that not because they weren't aware there are other people in Google working on other things - li…
> Offer to relocate the employee first? > Remind employees they can work in other areas?
I was not clear with the meaning of that. I was thinking of rethorical public speech. As part of de escalation and call for order. Pulling the trigger first and asking later is an explict toxic culture manifestation.
Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum
#356Its striking to me that there seems to be a segment of the population now that think that a company should behave like a democracy. I'd be very interested to see research about how this kind of viewpoint has changed over time, at what kind of companies it is more or less prevalent at, etc. I find this viewpoint astonishing personally, but that might have to do with my upbringing and cultural background.
The fact that we tolerate these pseudo-feudal corporate silos within our nominally democratic systems is what's bizarre to me. I live in a democracy and yet most of my day-to-day decisions are governed by an unapproachable billionaire C-suite. Why?
All the resources you consume (food, land, money) are controlled by these various organizations which you must submit to, or suffer their consequences. And submitting to them empowers them further.
Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum
#357It seems unlikely that Google could do anything but fire a person who called his company out during an external PR event.
But I guess I'm that guy who still resents that since then Google has fully evolved into yet another mindless corporate greed machine.
Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum
#358Why is employee dissent such a problem in google and not a problem in other companies?
Because it encouraged people "to bring your whole self to work", and during previous years it supported and encouraged employee being vocal and protecting about certain issues. They like to "amplify" certain voices and suppress others, so to speak. It's in their DNA both as a company culture as well as their main business - moderating social sites. What some employees haven't quite learned yet is how to read between…
Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum
#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
> an unacceptable humanitarian tragedy that is a reaction to an unacceptable attack. I think this is important to reiterate. Because forces us to pay close attention to the details. There are extremely reasonable justifications for both sides because both sides have committed atrocities. This conflict goes a long way back and I'm in no position to claim who started it. But I can recognize that one atrocity does not j…
There has never nor ever will be justification on the side of an occupying force to fight back against armed resistance against oppression on stolen land. Ever.
Re: Google fires employee who protested Israel tech event, shuts forum
#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
They weren't fired for taking a stance, they were fired for how they took the stance.
This needs to be emphasized more. It's not that they took a stance, it's definitely how they did it that warranted being fired over it.
Which is why we all continue to support our corporate overlords.