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I did a WGU CS degree, which had a lot of online testing. It was honestly fine. They made me use an HD webcam, show my drivers license, and pan around the room to ensure I was by myself and didn’t have an easy way to cheat. They also made me share my screen on Zoom and open up the Application Monitor to ensure I was only running Firefox. They didn’t let you take notes on paper, just using a portable whiteboard that t…
How in the hell will they prevent cheating?
Ah, I remember this test fondly. Mostly because I "cheated" my way to a much better score than I "earned" on my presat. I remember walking into the classroom to take the test and I recognized a student who ranked in the top of the class. So I sat down next to them. We didnt know each other. We were both taking the test and through "random" peripheral vision I noticed that none of our answers were lining up. So I cont…
> at all those words whose definitions mean to lookup another word (is there a word for that?) A completely different word, or one with the last few letters changed? For the first one, that's just a bad dictionary. Or someone trying to give you a very fast and rough definition.
Loathe: [0] "to dislike greatly and often with disgust or intolerance" Abhor: [1] "to regard with extreme repugnance : to feel hatred or loathing for : loathe"
Basically any word that means exactly the same as another word.
The SAT liked to do questions like Abhor is to Loathe like X is to Y.
[0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/loathe [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abhor
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Not really, since if you don’t trust their account of the story in the first place (that they didn’t cheat), why would you trust that part? It adds nothing. You should immunize yourself to devices like this having any impact for the same reason you should immunize yourself to cheap devices like “I normally hate X but” and “as an X, I think that” in other online comments.
I don't understand the '99th percentile' aside as a way to convince HN readers that the commenter wasn't cheating. Rather, I take it as an expression of personal pride (in the positive sense) that there was such incontrovertible evidence that the commenter had no need to cheat in the first place, told with the satisfying (but probably unrealised) hope that the people who unjustifiably accused the commenter of cheatin…
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How is this possible? Do you mean that the top 6% all get perfect scores and all get assigned 94th percentile, rather than 100th? Anyway, this isn’t true in my experience. 167/170 in math got me 94th percentile. Far from a perfect score.
Yes the top 6% all got perfect scores. This happened to me on one of the optional SAT math exams, I was ironically confused for a bit.
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I'd be less surprised by a 99th percentiler cheating than a 90th percentiler. I know plenty of smart kids who enjoy gaming systems after all.
Your comment comes off as "people who score well on tests are more often cheaters", supported by anecdotal evidence. Above all, it's hardly relevant to the overall discussion and feels more like a grievance.
In my experience at libraries and on college networks, that tracks.
An extended family member is going to take the digital SAT next week. - The digital test is now adaptive: https://blog.collegeboard.org/what-digital-sat-adaptive-test... - I'm curious how this year's test will perform to the released analysis of the 2022 test: https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2022-total-group-... From the 2022 report: 1,737,678 total took the test. Female: 6% of 890,254 = 53,415 females got…
> Asian: 27% of 175,468 = 47,376 got 1400-1600 (highest scorers) Damn. I'm asian myself but 27% when TA is less than 10% is just plain weird.
I did a WGU CS degree, which had a lot of online testing. It was honestly fine. They made me use an HD webcam, show my drivers license, and pan around the room to ensure I was by myself and didn’t have an easy way to cheat. They also made me share my screen on Zoom and open up the Application Monitor to ensure I was only running Firefox. They didn’t let you take notes on paper, just using a portable whiteboard that t…
I feel like people who cheat on digital tests could learn a thing or two from cheaters in video games. They have cheats that are invisible on screen-shares and that are super hidden (this mostly applies to AC bypasses, but some cheats run at a kernel or hardware level)
Could someone do some kind of hacked video driver (or something similar) to fool screen sharing, or have a fake ID made so that someone else could take the test in their place? Of course, but that's difficult enough to where fundamentally a vast majority of people simply won't do it. I don't think most cheating deterrents have the goal of eliminating 100% of cheating, but rather the 95+% of potential cheaters who would do the easy stuff.
I mean, if you're willing to put in a lot of effort to cheat on a test, at some point it's easier to just study and pass it legitimately.
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They want to see your face and will disqualify you if you glance away from the monitor too often.
Will they disqualify me if I am naked during the exam?
They don't actually disqualify you (most of these places like https://www.proctoru.com or similar) just report to the exam administrator what they saw/noticed.
Some are even using AI flagging now - https://assess.com/remote-proctoring/
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The point isn’t to stop all cheating, it’s to catch the most blatant idiots cheating. That’s really all that’s required.
The point isn’t to stop all cheating, it’s to catch the most blatant idiots cheating. What? No the point is to catch all cheaters.
Things they're not doing that could allow some high-level cheating:
* DNA analysis
* Full body searches
* Faraday cages