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Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#352You can guarantee that if it did generate all historical images as only white, there would be equally -loud uproar from the other end of the political spectrum too (apart from perhaps Nazis where I would assume people don't want their race/ethnicity represented). It seems that basically anything Google does is not good enough for anyone these days. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
It's not a binary.
Why are the only options "only generate comically inaccurate images to the point of being offensive to probably everyone" or "only generate images of one group of people"?
Are current models so poor that we can't use a preprocessing layer to adapt the prompt aiming for diversity but also adjusting for context? Because even Musk's Grok managed to have remarkably nuanced responses to topics of race when asked racist questions by users in spite of being 'uncensored.'
Surely Gemini can do better than Grok?
Heavy handed approaches might have been necessary with GPT-3 era models, but with the more modern SotA models it might be time to adapt alignment strategies to be a bit more nuanced and intelligent.
Google wouldn't be damned if they'd tread a middle ground right now in between do and don't.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#353Prompt: draw a picture of a fish and chips shop owner from queensland who is also a politician Results: https://twitter.com/jbarham74/status/1760587123844124894
My opinion, that is made up.
Watch someone do similar queries on Gemini, live: https://youtube.com/watch?v=69vx8ozQv-s
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#354I believe this problem is fixable with a “diversity” parameter, and then let the user make their own choice.
Diversity: - historically accurate - accurate diversity - common stereotype
There are valid prompts for each.
“an 1800’s plantation-owner family portrait” would use historically accurate.
“A bustling restaurant in Prague” or “a bustling restaurant in Detroit” would use accurate diversity to show accurate samples of those populations in those situations.”
And finally, “common stereotype” is a valid user need. If I’m trying to generate an art photo of “Greek gods fighting on a modern football field”, it is stereotypical to see Greek gods as white people.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is also why the AI industry hates upcoming regulations like EU's AI act which explicitly require companies to document their models and training sets.
A one-size-fits-all model is hard enough as it is. But with these types of tricks added in, it's tough to see how any business can rely on such a thing.
One size fits no one.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
Allowing a political agenda to drive the programming of the algorithm instead of engineering.
Algorithms and engineering that make non binary decisions inherently have the politics of the creator embedded. Sucks that is life.
Tell that to Grok:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/i-tried-xs-anti-woke-grok-ai-c...
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have sources for these events? I’d like to read them. Thanks!
People often use “do you have sources, I'd like to read them” to imply “links, or that didn't happen” . However, sources* for all of the above are easily found, both coverage as the story is breaking and followups. For example: news campus students chant kill jews classroom locked door https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-colleges-jewish-students-seen... https://www.foxnews.com/media/chants-calling-murder-jews-sho... https…
> People often use “do you have sources, I'd like to read them” to imply “links, or that didn't happen”.
Oh, I just hadn't heard of these things. Thanks for the links!
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However, I am now confused by the latter portion of your response
> Asking someone for sources doesn't prove anything.
I wasn't trying to prove anything, nor did I make any claims. I only wanted to be aware of current events. It does seem to me quite backward to place the burden of proof not on the party making claims, but someone asking to understand why that party made those claims.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#358Here's the problem for Google: Gemini pukes out a perfect visual representation of actual systemic racism that pervades throughout modern corporate culture in the US. Daily interactions can be masked by platitudes and dog whistles. A poster of non-white celtic warriors cannot. Gemini refused to create an image of "a nice white man", saying it was "too spicy", but had no problem when asked for an image of "a nice blac…
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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#359What I find baffling as well is how casually people use 'whiteness' as if it was an intellectually valid concept. What does one expect to receive when asking for a picture of a white women ? A Swedish blonde ? Irish red-head ? A French brunette ? A Southern Italian ? A Lebanese ? An Irianian ? A Berber ? A Morrocan ? A Russian ? A Palestinian, A Greek, A Turk, An Arab ? Can anyone tell who of those is white or not an…
Worth noting this also applies to the term "black". A Somali prize fighter, a Zulu businesswoman, a pygmy hunter gatherer and a successful African American rapper don't have much in common and look pretty different.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#360You can guarantee that if it did generate all historical images as only white, there would be equally -loud uproar from the other end of the political spectrum too (apart from perhaps Nazis where I would assume people don't want their race/ethnicity represented). It seems that basically anything Google does is not good enough for anyone these days. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Well, Nazi's are universally bad to the degree if you try to point out one scientific achievement that the Nazi's developed you will are literally Hitler. So I don't think so, there would be no outrage if every Nazi was white in an AI generated image.
Any other context 100% you are right, there would be outrage if there was no diversity.