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Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by paulpan »

troupo wrote: post #312
freediver wrote: post #277

This is an impressive product, well done Google. There is a PM in there somewhere who knows what they are doing, kudos to you. Prediction: they get to 6-7 digit number of paying customers, decide it is peanuts for them (~$20M/mo) and instead decide to push the free version with ads with full force as the future of search.

> There is a PM in there somewhere who knows what they are doing, kudos to you. Do they? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39302781

I think OP forgot the /s as I detected heavy dose of sarcasm.

Arguably it's the reverse: if there was clear vision from the beginning, "Bard" would've never existed as a brand name.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by daxfohl »

seydor wrote: post #301
freediver wrote: post #277

This is an impressive product, well done Google. There is a PM in there somewhere who knows what they are doing, kudos to you. Prediction: they get to 6-7 digit number of paying customers, decide it is peanuts for them (~$20M/mo) and instead decide to push the free version with ads with full force as the future of search.

I take it for granted that all these services are going to be free. They are a goldmine for behavioral and persuasion engineers. I just hope we end up with at least a duopoly this time instead of monopoly

There could be a paid tier, maybe running 24/7 "thinking" on topics you ask for rather than just answering spot questions. Or more resources committed to a "mixture of experts" model, etc.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by discardedrefuse »

So I just installed the Google Gemini app on my (completely stock) Pixel 7 and let it replace the normal Google Assistant. This is half baked AF. It can't create reminders in Google's own Tasks app. It can't control Spotify. It is able to set timers tho. And that's about 95% use case for me. Heading back to the OG Assistant now...

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by ComputerGuru »

I must say, I’m surprised to see so many HN users (who, despite being biased towards having more disposable income are also supposedly more discerning) simply immediately upgrading their Google One plans to the new offering before testing this and seeing how it fares.

Looks like a potential gold mine for Google regardless of how it performs!

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by LightMachine »

empath-nirvana wrote: post #280
LightMachine wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we want to test these beasts in logic, we should probably start using actual formalized logic, rather than English. In just one test, Gemini flopped hard, while GPT-4-Turbo nailed it. Here is my prompt: Below is a well-typed CoC function: foo : ∀(P: Nat -> *) ∀(s: ∀{n} -> ∀(x: (P n)) -> (P (n + 1))) ∀(z: (P 0)) (P 3) = λP λs λz (s (s (s z))) Below is an incomplete CoC function: foo : ∀(P: Nat -> *) ∀(f: ∀{n} -> ∀(…

Such a weird test. 99.9% of humans wouldn't even understand the question, let alone be able to formulate a coherent answer for it.

Being able to answer these questions is a pre-requisite for AGI. After all, there ARE humans capable of doing that, so, if the AI can't do it no matter how hard it tries, then that means there ARE human capabilities that the AI can't replicate (thus, it isn't an AGI). And it seems like no LLM is making any progress at all in that kind of prompt, which is why I use it as a core benchmark on my "AGI-meter".

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by nytesky »

tarvaina wrote: post #299

Did I get this right? Bard – old name of their generative AI service, to be called Gemini Duet AI – old name for their generative AI in Google Workspace, to be called Gemini Gemini – three things: 1. the name of their models (like GPT). 2. the new name of their free service (like ChatGPT), gives access to Pro 1.0 but not Ultra 1.0. 3. the new name of the Generative AI tools in Google Workspace. Gemini Advanced – the…

Don’t forget the crypto implementation developed by the Winklevoss /s

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by ra7 »

kevinventullo wrote: post #350
ra7 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s sad that a company of very smart people can’t figure out coherent naming. Can you imagine Apple causing confusion like this? I know it’s not a like-for-like comparison, but everything Apple does it seems like they have a grand strategy that’s clear for everyone to see. Things build up in a modular way to fit a big puzzle. Google, on the other hand, constantly makes up things on an ad hoc basis.

Maybe not quite the same, but I will point out that “Apple TV” and “Apple TV+” are not just two distinct products, but are in fact entirely different categories of product. One is a piece of hardware akin to a Roku. The other is a streaming service akin to Netflix.

I use both and I haven’t found it too confusing, to be honest. I just think of it as Apple TV (streaming device) gives access to Apple TV+ (streaming service).

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Post by surajrmal »

freediver wrote: post #277

This is an impressive product, well done Google. There is a PM in there somewhere who knows what they are doing, kudos to you. Prediction: they get to 6-7 digit number of paying customers, decide it is peanuts for them (~$20M/mo) and instead decide to push the free version with ads with full force as the future of search.

Google announced they surpassed 100 million subscriptions to Google one already and $15B in revenue for subscriptions (between YouTube premium, TV and Google one). I'm not sure your estimate is realistic.

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Post by qsort »

LightMachine wrote: post #210
alphabetting wrote: post #83

Gemini Ultra seems better on logic than GPT4. Still messing around testing but here's a prompt Ultra nailed but GPT4 completely botched: Tabitha likes cookies but not cake. She likes mutton but not lamb, and she likes okra but not squash. Following the same rule, will she like cherries or pears https://i.imgur.com/KW6gQbc.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/OSHSvLp.png

If we want to test these beasts in logic, we should probably start using actual formalized logic, rather than English. In just one test, Gemini flopped hard, while GPT-4-Turbo nailed it. Here is my prompt: Below is a well-typed CoC function: foo : ∀(P: Nat -> *) ∀(s: ∀{n} -> ∀(x: (P n)) -> (P (n + 1))) ∀(z: (P 0)) (P 3) = λP λs λz (s (s (s z))) Below is an incomplete CoC function: foo : ∀(P: Nat -> *) ∀(f: ∀{n} -> ∀(…

Is that supposed to be a P((n+3)) in the type of "f" for the second case or am I misunderstanding this hard?
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