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Is that still a thing with young people? I associate leaving the TV on in the background as an older generation thing.

I'm middle aged. This kind of background noise sounds terrible to me. Maybe I just grew up in a quiet place.

John Von Neumann liked to do math with the TV on as background noise. Genius.

Re: Starlink's laser system is beaming 42 petabytes of data per day

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Is that still a thing with young people? I associate leaving the TV on in the background as an older generation thing.

I'm middle aged. This kind of background noise sounds terrible to me. Maybe I just grew up in a quiet place.

It is terrible, yet quite some people rather have that distracting noise, than hear their own thoughts.

For some it is just the illusion of having more people around them, though.

Re: Starlink's laser system is beaming 42 petabytes of data per day

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Agree to disagree I guess. The fact that it's his project makes it uninteresting even if the tech would have been alright in the hands of someone less harmful. If you aren't catching things like his signal boosting of literal nazis on Twitter, your media sources are garbage. (Also is Gawker even still a thing?)

on one hand - Tesla kicked off one of the two pillars of dealing with climate change: EVs to eliminate as much carbon emissions from transportation as possible on the other hand - mean tweets ... yes there is a lot of hard work by other people involved in #1, but Musk's leadership was a major contributor. Let me ask you a question. Rank the most evil CEOs in the world. If you have musk over petroleum companies, minin…

EVs don't "eliminate as much carbon emissions from transportation as possible".

Re: Starlink's laser system is beaming 42 petabytes of data per day

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so not in the middle of the night.

That depends on the altitude. GPS satellites at 10000km can be lit up in the middle of the night. Starlink satellites at 500km can’t.

Ah yes, of course you're right. After all the moon is nothing but a satellite either.

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It's absolutely incredibly small, think of how large the surface area of a sphere of LEO and the surface area of these lasers linking the vertices of the 5,289 satellites. The gaps between them are probably hundreds of kilometres. I would imagine that each link has multiple routes so if there was a failure traffic can still be routed in the same way the Internet has many routes. https://satellitemap.space is pretty a…

There’s no friction in space. So the question is not how wide the plume of a rocket engine gets, but how spread out does the vapor trail need to be before it stops being an optical impediment?

Volume is even larger than area…

Re: Starlink's laser system is beaming 42 petabytes of data per day

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_actively_ watch? Probably not many. Having it on as background noise however? 5 hours is pretty easy

Is that still a thing with young people? I associate leaving the TV on in the background as an older generation thing.

I mean I use youtube lets plays or twitch streams for that, but yes its still a thing.

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I will note that this is the case for conventional fiber-optic cable. The newer hollow-core fiber cables transmit light at nearly c. As far as I know hollow-core has not seen wide-spread use, but it will be interesting if trans-continental connections switch over.

Will adopting the new cables everywhere mean nearly halving latency all across the board? Sans routing latencies. This would be huge for realtime gaming across continents.

Any stretch of fibre you replace with hollow core fibre will see latency reduced to two thirds of what it was before. (It would be half if the speed of light in it were double what it is in normal fibre, but it's only 50% faster).

You say sans routing latencies, but these are very much significant for intercontinental communication:

I get 6ms ping to AWS eu-central, which is less than 100km by air from me. I get 114ms to AWS us-east-1, which is roughly 6500km. Now 6500km / (2/3 * c) = ~32ms. So if there were a fibre running in a straight line, time in the fibre would be 32ms. Of course it isn't running in a straight line, so let's say 50ms are pure "light traveling through fibre". Switching all of that to hollow-core would cut that to 33ms, so that's a savings of 17ms or roughly 15% of my total latency.

This is still a very nice savings, but very far off from cutting latency in half.

(Also, it's a single hop from my company network to DE-CIX, one of the largest internet exchanges in the world, so I feel confident saying my results aren't skewed by a bad uplink.)

Re: Starlink's laser system is beaming 42 petabytes of data per day

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Is that still a thing with young people? I associate leaving the TV on in the background as an older generation thing.

I'm middle aged. This kind of background noise sounds terrible to me. Maybe I just grew up in a quiet place.

When you have permanent background noise in the form of Tinnitus already it's an improvement.
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