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Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by brookst »

nox101 wrote: post #129
brookst wrote: post #39

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No, it’s all ML models. It is very unlikely that an ML model trained on wrist motions for walking and running would falsely report steps for… other activities.

One of the reasons I got rid of my apple watch is because it would congratulate me for successfuly completing my exercise for the day just from turning over on the sofa. It would also tell me how good I slept when I forgot to wear it to bed. So, at least for me, that ML doesn't work

Definitely weird, pretty sure that’s not what most people experience. But such is the statistical nature of ML; your particular movements on that particular sofa fooled it.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

PaulHoule wrote: post #202
throw0101d wrote: post #168

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> I wonder if an iTV would sell. All mondern smart tvs are covered in ads and spying. Probably best to just connect TVs to some box (Apple TV, Roku, etc ) via plain HDMI and leave it that. There's no technical reason to connect TVs to an IP directly anymore IMHO: what would that actually provide over and above what you get with some box/stick?

I like wall-mounting TVs but it sure is a mess to have a power cable and two or three HDMI cables and a composite cable (got a VCR, rubbish Denon receiver won't convert composite to HDMI) and an Ethernet cable and who knows what else hanging below it. Now that I think about it it wouldn't be hard to cut a few holes and route the cables through the wall and have them come out in a spot that's not too conspicuous but w…

With drywall, it is pretty simple to move a wall outlet up the wall.

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Post by hbn »

gamblor956 wrote: post #235
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #218

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They don’t need the average consumer to buy it. It’s practically a developer platform. It includes a bunch of parts that have never been manufactured at scale before. Based on rumors, Apple is projected to produce 400k of these and already sold >200k.

Microsoft sold around the same number of Hololens and that was considered a huge market failure.

Since the beginning? So over the span of like 7 years? And I assume a lot of those are repeat buyers since they released a few revisions.

Regardless I don't really think the products are really comparable. Microsoft never really made a good example usecase for what a normal person would use a Hololens for. It was always moonshot, "construction workers will wear them to map out things for work" and "doctors will use it to assist with surgery." Apple at least has a layman utility for the VP. Whether that utility and its tradeoffs are worth the money is yet to be seen.

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Post by dpkonofa »

cozzyd wrote: post #310
jes5199 wrote: post #246

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I got an Apple Watch in 2019, and I don't wear it anymore. It was just another thing that needed to get charged every day, and none of the apps are very useful, and most of them are buggy and poorly supported.

I'm surprised people put up with daily charging in a watch where sleep tracking is a core feature.

Why is that surprising? I just charge mine while I’m getting ready in the morning and it last all day and does sleep tracking. My Ultra lasts multiple days on a single charge.

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Post by kllrnohj »

hbn wrote: post #190
whamlastxmas wrote: post #173

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Same for me but there was a single sentence that more than halved my interest in buying this: you can’t have multiple floating windows of MacOS. It’s all in one single floating window. This is by far the biggest flaw for me, and a really stupid one. Hopefully a software update changes this

The 1 monitor cap and the fact that it's only a 1440p resolution makes me think it's a bandwidth/latency limitation, I wouldn't hold my breath on software fixing it.

The MacOS compositor already has different buffers for every window. It could stream updates of those buffers and do final composition on the AVP instead. But likely out of simplicity it seems like they just opted to use a generic, preexisting remote desktop solution. I also wouldn't hold my breath on software fixing it as even though it could it's all but certain Apple would certainly rather have you using native AVP apps instead and sees MacOS streaming as a stop-gap solution, not a valuable part of the long term strategy.

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Post by kalleboo »

npteljes wrote: post #149
oatmeal1 wrote: post #55

> Apple is so incredibly capable, stocked with talent, and loaded with resources that the company simply went out and engineered the hell out of the hardest problems it could think of in order to find a challenge. That’s good! I think they knew before halfway through that it was not possible to build a practical product, but Apple thinks it's important to stay relevant and appear innovative, so they went along and bu…

>The part of the demo where the dad played with his kids while wearing the Vision Pro and then watched the playback alone later was disturbing. I'm glad I'm not alone who feels the same. To me, that scene is so out of place, so dystopian that it's outright ridiculous that it's presented in a demo like this.

To me it just channeled the 80's/90's dad with his face planted inside a huge camcorder/8mm camera at his kids birthday. Doesn't seem to be anything new under the sun. https://i.redd.it/5o0fv89d69dz.jpg

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Post by SR2Z »

nox101 wrote: post #106
PaulHoule wrote: post #38

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Good analysis. Part of it too is that Apple feels pressure to do something innovative. They made some big bets in the 2000s that paid off very well but a company that has a hit like the iPhone becomes profoundly conservative. The trouble is that there aren't many market opportunities bigger than smartphones, there's a possible iCar and an iHouse and that's about it. Apple's worst fear might be being successful as a n…

I wonder if an iTV would sell. All mondern smart tvs are covered in ads and spying. monitors of similar sizes cost 3x to 4x. so to me there might be a market for a non spying iTV with bultin Apple TV for say 1.5x. Or not, not sure enough people care about those issues.

Definitely not if Apple takes a 30% cut lol

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Post by lhnz »

teeray wrote: post #105

I feel like this will be a spectacular flop. It’s the first major new Apple product announcement that I completely forgot about (and I mean completely) in the time between announcement and ordering. Nobody I know is even talking about it, unlike when the Apple Watch came out, or the iPad. The experience needs to be as life-changing as the iPhone if you’re going to normalize people wearing ski goggles around the house…

If I can sit down at any table in my house and get a multi-monitor setup without needing to buy multiple 4K screens then it'll win me over. However, in practice, I do not think the hardware will be high enough quality for me to want this yet.

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Post by nox101 »

bombcar wrote: post #183
nox101 wrote: post #106

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I wonder if an iTV would sell. All mondern smart tvs are covered in ads and spying. monitors of similar sizes cost 3x to 4x. so to me there might be a market for a non spying iTV with bultin Apple TV for say 1.5x. Or not, not sure enough people care about those issues.

Apple TV already exists as a set-top box. And even something similar embedded in some TVs. What I could see Apple doing is some kind of "Made for Apple TV" feature that combines eArc, HDMI, etc, and makes the TV turn into a "dumb TV" for the Apple TV when it is connected and detected.

That's not the point. That is what I have now and my tv starts up in a big ugly display with an ad for Google TV and an admonition to enable it.

I've read online some smart tvs will complain, often, to please connect them.

I'd like a tv that works for me, not for the tv manufacturer.

It's also got a remote with way too many buttons like "Netflix" "Disney+" etc. Touch them by accident and it immediately goes to "setup your tv account"

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