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Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by yterdy »

stouset wrote: post #170
nomilk wrote: post #131

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> Twitter is/was not a utility I've found no substitute for getting breaking news on a specific topic (e.g. natural disasters, war, politics, sport). Google News is second best, but the sites it indexes are at the absolute least 20 minutes behind twitter. Zite was my favourite app from many, many years ago. But it was good at collating daily reading, not for up to the minute/second curation. For certain topics that a…

> the sites it indexes are at the absolute least 20 minutes behind twitter Genuine question: who cares? There is almost no news where the difference between getting it now, twenty minutes from now, or tonight makes a meaningful differ to your life. Much of the information in the first twenty minutes of an event will be confusing, misleading, and/or wrong.

Trivial, but salient: sale drops for things like electronics or tickets. The only reason I got Pax East passes in 2014 is because I got a Twitter alert. They were gone 10 minutes later. An email alert showed up a half-hour later. I'm sure people have had similar experiences with more significant events.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by yterdy »

chii wrote: post #214
nomilk wrote: post #148

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> you could just abstain. True for the most part. But occasionally there's good reason to want to know some information sooner rather than later: outbreaks of war, dangerous/breaking events in your localised area, dangerous weather alerts etc.

all of those should have a primary source. Twitter is merely a secondary source. So to avoid twitter, you can subscribe to the primary source. At least it used to be this way. But then a few official places that annouce things have turned to use twitter as their primary source.

Twitter was useful when you didn't know the source. Keyword searches brought you everyone talking about a topic, and trending showed you topics people were talking about (and, by extension, the people talking about them). Not everything that might be significant to you is necessarily going to be discussed within your close networks or covered adequately by media-of-record.

If CNN has decided not to cover the protest happening outside your downtown office and you don't want to go up to a rowdy crowd to figure out what's going on, Twitter would (have) be(en) the place to drum up intel (with which to decide if you need to go home early that day or not).

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by geor9e »

crtasm wrote: post #247
geor9e wrote: post #228

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I started using RSS again recently for this reason. I use it for for facebook, twitter, hackernews, etc. Feedbro extension supports public facebook profiles. Nitter clones like https://farside.link/nitter/elonmusk/rss still work.

That URL redirects me to various instances, some of which are not working.

You're right. I wonder if it works for me because feedbro checks every x minutes and eventually finds a working one to refresh my feed. I wonder if the situation is getting worse and I just haven't noticed yet.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by troad »

jjackson5324 wrote: post #45
AstroJetson wrote: post #37

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Yep, it will be easier to cut the X habit off. I'll miss Nitter, but I'll be happier in the long run. I was a Reddit Apollo user, and it was easier to wean off of Reddit when I had to use their horrible app or their website. Even using old.reddit has been painful.

Interesting because the content I get on X is far, far more valuable than HN + Reddit + Facebook combined. It’s the only place you can follow subject matter experts and get their real time thoughts. I think people on HN just don’t know how to use Twitter? If you want to use it effectively, you have to utilize lists. Curate your own lists or find someone you respect and follow their lists. If someone is posting things…

> It’s the only place you can follow subject matter experts and get their real time thoughts.

I have no use case for anyone else’s “real time thoughts”. Neither does almost anyone else.

Twitter’s one trick is FOMO for news junkies.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by 1shooner »

nomilk wrote: post #136
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #81

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It's created a reverse eternal September. The masses stay confined to one place. Other places can flourish with the old school smaller community kind of feel and quality. Let twitter live in its current state if it means other places won't be taken over by influencers and other bullshit.

This is nice in theory. I haven't used any twitter alternatives but others seem to report that their content is more or less the same as twitter's.

Mastodon reminds me of 2007 Twitter, and it would be great if it stayed that way.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by nomilk »

lukan wrote: post #305
nomilk wrote: post #299

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There's sifting to be done, but a scan over the top few pages of results (of 35,000,000 news articles total) shows a handful of bans for true but unpopular stances and opinions: https://www.google.com/search?q=banned+from+twitter+-trump+b... Given only a fraction of account bans make the news, the problem was probably much bigger than the news indicates. Maybe 10-100x (what's the ratio of newsworthy to regular folks?…

Google provides different results for different users, skimming over my result list, I found nothing. Something concrete please?

George Hotz gives a good example [1]:

> Cloth masks are ineffective against covid, that's a true statement, every doctor in 2019 knew it, and now I'm banned on twitter for saying it? Interesting.

Keep in mind for every famous ban, there might be a few orders of magnitude more bans of small accounts we don't hear about given Twitter "use(d) Artificial Intelligence to identify posts" "that are misleading enough to cause harm to people" [2].

Also keep in mind this is one topic of thousands that could get an account banned, there is no shortage.

Please keep in mind my broader point is simply Twitter might have felt like a community for some, but not for everyone. If someone's banned for stating hard truths, that's frustrating to say the least, and I think to some extent makes the individual feel like it's a not a welcoming/fair community to be part of.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJg0hAKtzt8&t=243s

[2] https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-technology-h...

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by cubefox »

timeon wrote: post #343
cubefox wrote: post #49

Websites like Quora, Instagram, TikTok, and now X, work against the idea of an open Web. Content is increasingly concentrated into separated silos. But I understand why it's happening: People who don't have an account can't receive personalized ads.

> But I understand why it's happening I'm not even mad at them that they want to pay the bills. What I find sad was the method they have used: capture community as big as possible and then sell the community. So many people and orgs fell for that. Now the 'squares' are closed. There is no public internet, just niches.

Yeah it's sad. I hope Musk reverses course for X. At least in showing threads, not necessarily for individual user feeds. Perhaps when the platform is in a better financial position.
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