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Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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The thing is... Those two people on the call, I mean... They are just doing their job as well. Don't understand what is the point to actually argue with them. Nothing they can do or change. And yes, Brittany is going to be internet famous for a day. But a lot of people going to watch this video and recognize her on the next loop of interviews. Just not the best solution for this situation. It is just sad to see. And…

They are just doing their job as well. They are, but we could say similar things about cartels, drug smugglers etc.To you they're just criminals, to them, they're trying to survive and just doing their jobs. It doesn't mean it's a noble thing to be doing for a job.

This rational easily applies to sales positions as well, yet were all capable of having empathy with the woman in the video, regardless of the merit of her job.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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I get why Brittany's mad: Cloudflare appears to be handling this about as bad as possible. But those two HR randos aren't gonna have anything worthwhile to say, either. I don't want to be judgmental of Brittany because it's a sucky call to have to take. But my recommendation in this situation is to say "I disagree with that assessment of my performance, but I understand you are terminating my employment. What details…

Is this a US thing where the company doesn't want to give any reasons for firing someone because that can be used in a lawsuit against them?

I've been laid off once, in Italy, and despite my insistence I've never been told why.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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What do you mean immediately dismissed? Like you don't have to go to work but still get paid, right? Or do they get fired? After they quit?

Meaning they said "i'll work another 3 months, but I found a new job" and their current employment said "nah, today's your last day". I've seen it happen first hand.

Yep. I made that rookie mistake early in my career.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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What case? At will employment is a thing. You can terminate people with absolutely no reason if you want, most of the time.

> At will employment is a thing. You can terminate people with absolutely no reason if you want, most of the time. In which case fire them with no reason. If however you waive that choice and offer a specific reason then you probably should make the chosen reason true unless you want to be sued for wrongful dismissal.

You see?

Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

It's then better to just fire and give no motivation whatsoever.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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I get why Brittany's mad: Cloudflare appears to be handling this about as bad as possible. But those two HR randos aren't gonna have anything worthwhile to say, either. I don't want to be judgmental of Brittany because it's a sucky call to have to take. But my recommendation in this situation is to say "I disagree with that assessment of my performance, but I understand you are terminating my employment. What details…

Nah, she did well by frustrating the process. Next time they’ll think twice before gaslighting and humiliating an employee. Telling her she was getting fired due to her own performance is just that. In my books she did well, hope she starts a gig on her own to never have to deal with NPCs such as those two. They feed on people’s misery.

> In my books she did well

Hire her as your saleswoman then.

And mind everything you do/say or you'll end up bashed in front of all the internet.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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I resent the judgmental attitude being expressed in some of the top comments. In the US at least, we’ve been socialized into believing workers need to “watch their manners” while corporations can get away with murder. Here, a worker is clearly being wronged and some random HR goons want the whole thing to proceed as a normal, matter-of-fact 15-minute meeting. They’re going to email severance and equipment return info…

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Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Nah, she did well by frustrating the process. Next time they’ll think twice before gaslighting and humiliating an employee. Telling her she was getting fired due to her own performance is just that. In my books she did well, hope she starts a gig on her own to never have to deal with NPCs such as those two. They feed on people’s misery.

> In my books she did well Hire her as your saleswoman then. And mind everything you do/say or you'll end up bashed in front of all the internet.

Software developers are used to being docile, but in oder industries being brave is a virtue. She’d make an excellent lawyer or leader. I dont understand why fellow workers are so angry at her if not the fear and terror at being in her shoes. Anxiety is common among keyboard operators. Watching this video is a great tutorial on how to change that.

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> In my books she did well Hire her as your saleswoman then. And mind everything you do/say or you'll end up bashed in front of all the internet.

Software developers are used to being docile, but in oder industries being brave is a virtue. She’d make an excellent lawyer or leader. I dont understand why fellow workers are so angry at her if not the fear and terror at being in her shoes. Anxiety is common among keyboard operators. Watching this video is a great tutorial on how to change that.

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It's not limited to just filing lawsuits. There are federal agencies you can file complaints with that will then tip off investigations and you can do that for free. These types of firings, where the employee was given no negative feedback, there is no paper trail, evidence, etc. creates the type of gray areas that can easily lead to findings in favor of the employee if she were to file something for say sex discrimi…

>There are federal agencies you can file complaints with that will then tip off investigations and you can do that for free. More evidence that we need to dismantle much of the federal government, I don't want my tax dollars funding crap like this. The government should build bridges, highways, manage defense, control the border, manage trade policy etc. All of this extra stuff is scope creep to the extreme.

> worker protections are scope creep

Never change, America

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Stop sticking up for this garbage please. Have some empathy? • Third quarter revenue totaled $335.6 million, representing an increase of 32% year-over-year Do we need to feel sorry for cloudflare or something? She says on the call, or her feedback has been positive, so why should she expect a negative outcome like this? As a junior, she should be given the appropriate and valid feedback so she can learn and improve f…

You're kinda talking about fixing shitty human behavior in general and that is really just incredibly hard. Adding a union wouldn't fix that.

Adding a union often does because it changes the power dynamics. In this conversation, Cloudflare holds all of the cards and most people will accept their terms because they don’t want to lose healthcare or severance pay, and they probably say things confident that they will not be challenged to back those claims up.

A union won’t make the managers setting policies better human beings but it puts them in a context where there’s a party who has more power to push back, and can afford things like lawyers. It also means that they have things like union contracts saying that, for example, you can’t fire someone for performance without proof and warning such as a negative review and time to improve. Simply knowing they’ll have to follow the process is often enough to rein in the worst abuses.

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