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Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If a car dealership had a parrot in their showroom named Rupert, and Rupert learned to repeat "that's a deal!", no judge would entertain the idea that because someone heard Rupert repeat the phrase that it amounted to any legally binding promise. It's just a bird. If the car dealership trained a parrot named Rupert and deployed it to the sales floor as a salesperson as a representative of itself, however, that's a…

"bots" can make legally binding trades on Wall Street, and have been for decades. Why should car dealers be held to a different standard? IMO whether or not you "present" it as a person, this is software deployed by the company, and any screwups are on them. If your grocery store's pricing gun is mis adjusted and the cans of soup are marked down by a dollar, they are obligated to honor that "incorrect" price. This is…

> they are obligated to honor that "incorrect" price.

Clearly false. If the store owner sees the incorrect price, he can say "that's incorrect, it costs more... do you still want it?". If you call the cops, they'll say "fuck off, this is civil, leave me alone or I'll make up a charge to arrest you with". And if you sue, because the can of off-brand macaroni and hot dog snippets was mismarked the judge will award the other guy legal costs because you were filing frivolous lawsuits.

> "bots" can make legally binding trades on Wall Street, and have been for decades.

Both parties want the trades to go through. No one contests a trade... even if their bot screwed up and lost them money, even if the courts would agree to reverse or remedy it, then it shuts down bot trading which costs them even more than just eating the one-time screwup.

This isn't analogous. They don't want their chatbot to be able to make sales, not even good ones. So shutting that down doesn't concern them. It will be contested. And given that this wasn't the intent of the creator/operator of the chatbot, given that letting the "sale" stand wouldn't be conducive to business in general, that there's no real injury to remedy, that buyers are supposed to exercise some minimum amount of sense in their dealings and that they weren't relying on that promise and that if they were doing so caused them no harm...

The judge would likely excoriate any lawyer who brought that lawsuit to court. They tend not to put up with stupid shit.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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I never understand people who engage with chat bots as customer service. I find them deeply upsetting, not one step above the phone robot on Vodafone support: "press 1 for internet problems" ... "press 2 to be transferred to a human representative". Only problem is going through like 7 steps until I can reach that human, then waiting some 30 minutes until the line is free. But it's the only approach that gets anythin…

Hold on. I would avoid broad claims. Latest generation of automated phone systems is crap, yes. But we are very slowly starting to see something new here.

I can assure it would take me a week to fix a lot of problems aka memes coming from this. System prompt can be first place to start fixing, second small model or some another background call for just keeping conversation sane and within certain topic / rules (sort of like more independent conversation observer process to offload from original context), third you can finetune the model to have a lot of this baked and so on.

While this example is premature implementation, they are spearheading something and will learn from this experience and perhaps construct a better one.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

#353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"bots" can make legally binding trades on Wall Street, and have been for decades. Why should car dealers be held to a different standard? IMO whether or not you "present" it as a person, this is software deployed by the company, and any screwups are on them. If your grocery store's pricing gun is mis adjusted and the cans of soup are marked down by a dollar, they are obligated to honor that "incorrect" price. This is…

> they are obligated to honor that "incorrect" price. Clearly false. If the store owner sees the incorrect price, he can say "that's incorrect, it costs more... do you still want it?". If you call the cops, they'll say "fuck off, this is civil, leave me alone or I'll make up a charge to arrest you with". And if you sue, because the can of off-brand macaroni and hot dog snippets was mismarked the judge will award the…

I can assure you that, at least in the US, you can ask for a manager and start mentioning "attorney general" and you will get whatever price is on the cans of soup.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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The hilarious part to me is the number of otherwise intelligent people concerned that this sort of stupidity is a threat to humanity. The only real threat is from people willing to trust AI.

It isn't. It isn't. It isn't. It is.

We have no idea where that point is.

It's worth comparing to where we were a century ago. That's where my kid will be when he's grown up compared to now.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

#358

The hilarious part to me is the number of otherwise intelligent people concerned that this sort of stupidity is a threat to humanity. The only real threat is from people willing to trust AI.

Many combinations of atoms are in my jeans. My jeans are not very dangerous. Therefore, other combinations of atoms will not be dangerous.

Nobody is worried about GM's chat bot.

People are worried that LLMs will be abused and many people will suffer for it.

People are also worried that significantly more advanced forms of AI will cause us to no longer be the dominant species on the planet.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

#359
I feel like a better use case for ChatGPT-like tools (at least in their current state) for customer support use cases is not actual live chat but more assisting companies in automating the responses to other non realtime channels for customer requests such as:

- email requests

- form based responses

- Jira/ZenDesk type support tickets

- forum questions

- wiki/faq entries

and having some actual live human in the mix to moderate/certify the responses before they go out.

So it'd be more about empowering the customer service teams to work at 10x speed than completely replacing them.

It'd actually be more equivalent to how programmers currently are using ChatGPT. ChatGPT is not generating live code on the fly for the end user. Programmers are just using ChatGPT so they aren't starting out with a blank sheet. And perhaps most importantly they are fully validating the full code base before deployment.

Putting ChatGPT-like interfaces directly in front of customers seems somewhat equivalent to throwing a new hire off the street in front of customers after a 5 minute training video.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

#360

I feel like a better use case for ChatGPT-like tools (at least in their current state) for customer support use cases is not actual live chat but more assisting companies in automating the responses to other non realtime channels for customer requests such as: - email requests - form based responses - Jira/ZenDesk type support tickets - forum questions - wiki/faq entries and having some actual live human in the mix t…

> So its more about empowering the customer service teams than completely replacing them.

That's right, but this would cost more money so until these blunders start costing money then they will continue until morale improves!

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