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Post by incomingpain »

I was an airtraffic controller back in the day. I have very high spatial IQ, proven by the airforce. I went into IT because that was not a sustainable career choice.

The threshold to become a controller is so high. I'm in my 30s now and I literally dont qualify to become a controller anymore. When you starve your potential labour pool so greatly, it's going to leave a workload that's impossible. Thus this article can be rewritten every single year and it's going to trend in the wrong direction.

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Post by phatskat »

tharkun__ wrote: post #318
davemp wrote: post #257

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> I’ve heard that ER doctors have been experiencing this in recent years–not quite with automation so much as just offloading, as less serious cases are picked up by nurse practitioners/urgent care centers, staffing has been adjusted and the actual physicians wind up with a steady stream of stressful high-acuity cases back to back to back. Yet at the same time, ERs (near me at least) are still inundated with so many…

Maybe you are in an oasis of reason where this doesn't happen. But most ERs I have heard of that are overcrowded is because people go to the emergency room when there is no actual emergency.

I’m sure there’s a number of reasons for this - after about 5 PM, your options are typically the ER or an urgent care. UC’s usually require payment up front, and for people who either don’t have insurance or who have high deductibles, the cost of care at a hospital (which is way more but can be put off) vs the up front cost of urgent care probably pushes people towards ERs.

There’s likely other factors - lack of medical education/first aid, consulting Dr Google and then having anxiety that maybe that slight pain is something horrible, etc.

A public health system could alleviate this stress, if done well. Clinics that are open later than “business hours”, readily accessible telehealth providers, and better public health education could all come about from a public system. Privatized, all of these can only exist with a profit motive, and the insurance and health system are costly.

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Post by mikrotikker »

vel0city wrote: post #346
mikrotikker wrote: post #344

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No it would not have had an effect. And I was younger and learned from those minor prangs. These fancy computerized features will only make new drivers less capable and dull the senses of older drivers. They become a crutch and may cause dangerous situations if these inept people driving vehicles without AEB and other features. Just hearing the stories the people around me tell me to do with the computerized features…

I bet before your first accident you probably thought you were pretty good at driving and "my feet work and so do my eyes." Then I imagine after your first collision you thought you learned from your mistakes and "my feet work and so do my eyes." Then after your second collision you thought you learned from your mistakes and "my feet work and so do my eyes." Then after your third collision...

Just no.

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Post by jongjong »

astrange wrote: post #338
jongjong wrote: post #337

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As if anyone would tell you if they had 10 girlfriends on Tinder. The number is just a figure of speech. The effect is real. Also, I'm probably happier than you will ever be because I live in the truth and am surrounded by honest people who have 0 incentive to pretend or say anything that they don't fully believe.

Your truth is that people are broke[0] because there's too much money[1] and that you don't have a girlfriend because rich people on Tinder stole the women? [0] they aren't https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DSPIC96 [1] even if that made sense, it's going down again https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL

Yes. More money but with much more inequality which is manufactured by money printing. People who aren't socially connected to money printers are starved of funding in spite of the abundance of money in the pockets of a shrinking number of elite.

And as much as you'd like the second sentence to be true. I'm happily married to an attractive Russian woman. The western brainwashing didn't reach Russia thankfully.

I'm speaking for other guys in the west as I could very well have been one of them if luck hadn't been on my side.

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Post by oatmeal1 »

syndicatedjelly wrote: post #339
quickthrower2 wrote: post #237

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Wat?! You can compare them. Ok if you are being pedantic you need to compare the airline, route, plane model and weather characteristic's with an equivalent car journey route, car model, mechanical condition and driver experience and mental fortitude. But in general planes are way safer than cars. If you are 40, perfect vision, sober as a saint in a modern safe car and drive mostly on highways at safe speeds you are…

Ok if you are being pedantic you need to compare the airline, route, plane model and weather characteristic's with an equivalent car journey route, car model, mechanical condition and driver experience and mental fortitude. You can’t compare a plane journey with a car journey; they’re not interchangeable. Most miles for people are just to and from work - planes can’t just replace all those journeys, even if you sum t…

> If that’s wrong, then explain which pilot + aircraft combo you think is equivalent to the “typical” suburban car journey.

Walking. We used to be able to walk places before we redesigned everything for cars. Walking is safer than driving.

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Post by syndicatedjelly »

oatmeal1 wrote: post #355
syndicatedjelly wrote: post #339

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Ok if you are being pedantic you need to compare the airline, route, plane model and weather characteristic's with an equivalent car journey route, car model, mechanical condition and driver experience and mental fortitude. You can’t compare a plane journey with a car journey; they’re not interchangeable. Most miles for people are just to and from work - planes can’t just replace all those journeys, even if you sum t…

> If that’s wrong, then explain which pilot + aircraft combo you think is equivalent to the “typical” suburban car journey. Walking. We used to be able to walk places before we redesigned everything for cars. Walking is safer than driving.

Lol k I get your angle now. Ngl you’re pretty funny

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Post by saghm »

withinboredom wrote: post #179
saghm wrote: post #120

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When I was in high school (graduated 2012), my school recommended we take both, since not only do certain schools prefer one to another, but if you happened to score relatively well on one versus the other, you could choose to only send that one instead.

> if you happened to score relatively well on one versus the other This should be reasonable proof that the test doesn't test things very well, IMHO, because there are so many factors that go into getting a good score. I was one of these people -- I got one point below perfect on ACT, but the morning of my SAT, I got into an argument with my mom and got a below-average score.

> This should be reasonable proof that the test doesn't test things very well, IMHO, because there are so many factors that go into getting a good score

Yep, I don't disagree! I happened to get scores that converted to each other exactly according, but overall I think it was good advice to try to use the system to our advantage rather than treat it as some sort of objective measurement.

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Post by nulltxt »

ordu wrote: post #214
mortos wrote: post #174

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https://web.archive.org/web/20231203014618/https://www.nytim...

Oh, thank you. I see that full links do not require javascript and captchas with cars and traffic lights. I though that web-archives becomes plainly unusable, but it seems that it is only for short links. I wonder, is there any way to expand short links without captchas.

I think this is probably something with your DNS or moreso with archive.is's policies https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828702

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Post by raffraffraff »

davedx wrote: post #293
himinlomax wrote: post #248

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Legal ebikes in the EU stop their electrical motor at 25 km/h. You can go faster, but only as much as you would with a regular bike, ie by pedaling. Therefore ebikes are not the problem as such, illegal vehicles are the problem.

It's still fast for cycle paths where everyone is accustomed to people cycling manually, and it's definitely not just illegal vehicles. See: https://www.fietsersbond.nl/nieuws/voorlopige-cijfers-laten-... > In 2022, at least 578 road accidents killed at least one, in 2019 there were 522. The number of accidents with at least one injured person has also increased considerably: in 2019 there were 18,298, in 2022 no les…

I've been cycling for 45 years, and I don't think that the addition of a small pedal-assist motor has changed my cycling style at all. I'm just willing to take on 100km journeys or mountain roads that I previously considered to be too much effort. My speed also hasn't changed that much either, unless you're looking at my uphill speed.

But the arrival of relatively cheap ebikes has changed the demographics of cycling in a very short time. Lots of people with little-to-no road experience or etiquette are now zipping around at up to 25kmh. These will definitely appear as a spike on the accident graph, but for pedelec I'd expect that to drop a little over time.

However I still think that pure throttle bikes and scooters that can exceed 25kmh are dangerous though. Particularly the scooter which has the image of a "toy" to a lot of people. I'm really not kidding when I say that I've seen 10 year olds on serious scooters, reaching 40kmh on walkways. That's always gonna be a problem.

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Post by _Tev »

akira2501 wrote: post #205
oatmeal1 wrote: post #77

People are seriously concerned with aircraft near misses when we let cars kill 45,000 Americans a year. Absurdity.

50% of accidents are single vehicle accidents that involve drugs or alcohol. It's more if you add in youth an inexperience. So, _most_ vehicle deaths are self-inflicted. 16% are pedestrians. They usually get hit from behind, and even if they don't, almost always at night. 16% are motorcycles. I ride. I love riding, but the reason for that statistic is obvious. There's zero safety margin when you're on one. Finally, t…

Such a ridiculous comment

> The average death count from two planes having an accident is like 600

Do you realize, that your "average" death count has literally never happened in aircraft accidents?

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