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Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by fsflover »

Saris wrote: post #340
fsflover wrote: post #315

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Depends on the number of servers. Each of them can be very small.

What about someone who gets several million views per video they upload? You would need one hell of a peertube instance with a great CDN to manage that so people all over the world can watch it without constant buffering. Peertube technically has P2P, but these days with strict NAT or CGNAT being common good luck getting any kind of P2P connection going for the majority of people. Plus a lot of people on both home an…

> You would need one hell of a peertube instance with a great CDN to manage that so people all over the world

Peertube relies on peer-to-peer data exchange, so the server loads are much lower than you imply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38533454

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by Log_out_ »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #259
jacquesm wrote: post #234

What is most interesting about this whole adblocking war: we're winning. If we weren't youtube/Google wouldn't be making such a fuss. So keep it up. I can also heartily recommend the 'unhook' browser extension, it takes care of all of those upsells and feeds.

What does winning mean in this context? If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? Do you think Google is going to go to a model where things are freely accessible without ads? Feels like even when a company provides a way to get rid of ads, many people still won't pay. They _say_ they will, but I find often people will want to substitute their own terms (Well, youtube premium is $x, but I thin…

We are forcing cooperations to take a shareholder value cut and pivot away from advertising models that do no longer work.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by coldpie »

carlosjobim wrote: post #257
Brian_K_White wrote: post #172

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Unlikely. They need all the uploaders, and the uploaders need all the viewers, and they need both of those to be in the unholy massive numbers. Well, they want. No one actually needs to be a trillion dollar business instead of a million dollar business. But the point is it's unlikely they want all non-premium users to go elsewhere, not even merely the non-premium ad-blocking users. In fact, they don't even really wan…

> and the uploaders need all the viewers Not at all. Non-paying viewers are worth less than zero. > Or rather, sure they'd happily collect a subscription from everyone AND still show ads and collect data. > Which is pretty much what they do actually. What are you talking about? There are no ads with premium.

> What are you talking about? There are no ads with premium.

These threads always have a bunch of this weird type of person who doesn't understand that ads from YouTube and ads that content creators put in their videos are different things. I can't tell if they're being intentionally obtuse, or just legitimately do not understand how financial transactions work. Maybe they're teenagers who haven't worked a job before?

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by wimp »

rtsil wrote: post #127
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #57

Youtube seems to me to be a bullshit test platform. They will work around ad blockers and continue to pile on repetitive and banal adverts that have nothing to do with the user until they reach breaking point (where people flee and seek alternatives), and then they will relax their system to show marginally less bullshit. The confusing part of this battle is the app users, who do not agree with the avalanche of adver…

This could be simply a coincidence, but it's possible they already relax their system based on user behavior. I used to watch YT through the TV app until the ads became insanely outrageous (six unskippable ads for a 10 min video, including two ads one minute after the video has started). Then I just bought a mini pc and plugged it in the TV and everything was fine (except for HDR that for some reason doesn't work) an…

They are definitely A/B testing ad tolerance.

I reset the TV app whenever the ads become unreasonable, and every time I do that, the skip ads button reverts back to the original style (skip all ads after 5 seconds).

But if I login to an account, or use an anonymous session for long enough, the skip ads button will switch to the progress ring style, with 60+ seconds of unskippable ads. When that happens, I reset the app again.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by account42 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #97
doublemint2203 wrote: post #80

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they're not saying it because microeconomic pressures result in a system where YouTube is unenjoyable or expensive. As humans, we can organize this system to be an enjoyable, free tool, and Google won't be terribly affected by the minor loss in profits but instead, the pressures of capitalism drive innovation to optimize for an undesirable outcome. this isn't negative commentary on capitalism itself, but a roundabout…

>As humans, we... "We" as in those other guys have to create all the videos without compensation and I watch them without giving any compensation. What a nice "we" we have, I wonder how long the other guys will stick around?

Those other guys have been around for longer than the concept of advertising. It is human nature to create and share those creations.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by jacquesm »

concordDance wrote: post #323
bko wrote: post #287

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YouTube is incredibly expensive to run which explains why there's such little competition. Think about it, anyone can host gigs of videos perpetually indexed for free. What percentage of videos have fewer than 100 views? Google has killed off profitable projects. If you think they'll dump tens of billions every year hosting videos that no one watches, you're kidding yourself. And what we noticed with paying is that p…

> tens of billions every year hosting videos That seems way too high. There's something like half a trillion hours watched per year. Does it really cost almost $0.10 for an hour of video?

Youtube is hilarious, on the one hand they keep forcing autoplayed content on you and then they match that with a popup that inquires if you are still watching the video.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by account42 »

throw10920 wrote: post #350
account42 wrote: post #310

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No, making every human exchange a financial transaction is gross. Making that transaction indirect via psychological manipulation using intermediaries is even worse. Discover better ways to support people who do useful work. Or rather, re-discover them since they are older than ads.

> making every human exchange a financial transaction is gross You seem to think that YouTube is "every human exchange". I'm going to let that speak for itself.

I made no such claim so the only thing you are letting speak is your lack of reading comprehension.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by dncornholio »

This Youtube debacle has definitely been the last bullit, HN is officialy dead to me now. I used to come here to read different opinions and voices of reason. I'm not here to read only complain after complain after complain without offering alternatives. Where did the hacker mentality go?

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by musictubes »

account42 wrote: post #310
idiotsecant wrote: post #293

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The people that create the content you consume only have so many hours in the day, just like you. They need to pay the rent, buy groceries, get their kids braces, just like the test of us. It seems immoral and unrealistic to expect that for free. Consume it and support them or don't consume it and don't support them but the attitude that you're entitled to it is a little slimy.

No, making every human exchange a financial transaction is gross. Making that transaction indirect via psychological manipulation using intermediaries is even worse. Discover better ways to support people who do useful work. Or rather, re-discover them since they are older than ads.

This is nuts. So movies shouldn’t charge either right? Or TV shows. Where is the line between something that you think should be free and what someone needs to be compensated for in order to make it? That line is determined by the creators. The people making money on YouTube do it as a full time gig why shouldn’t they get paid? Clearly if they weren’t they would be forced to do something else instead of video making.

YouTube is an amazing platform. It has allowed people to make videos about things they want and allowed people interested in that content to find it. Allowing people to pay (in various ways) for what they want means that other people can step up and provide that service instead of doing something else.

A good heuristic for when financial transactions are “gross” is if you are dealing with strangers or not. If you call your spouse from work and ask them to make and bring you a sandwich for lunch we would be horrified if they said it’ll cost you $20. On the other hand, no one should feel offended if you get charged when you call up a stranger to do the same thing.

There are different incentives at work in different spheres of life. Society depends on strangers doing things for other strangers. Google the Fatal Conceit to get the full picture. Bottom line is that there is nothing “gross” either for paying for something you want from a stranger or of them being paid for something they did for you.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by Log_out_ »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #319
wruza wrote: post #309

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First they destroyed the old internet by “forgetting” sites from search and created “platforms”. Then they abused adnetworks to take the biggest share and control over what users can do or will likely do with their user agents. Then they degraded every site and product searchability into ads-favored keyword matching. Then, when people started using their well-setup cardboard box traps to their taste, they demanded to…

I pay for YouTube to support the platform and creators. If you don't pay for a service, you aren't the customer you are the product. Google may need to shut down the free viewership of most YouTube videos unless the creator pays for them to be hosted or the viewers sign up for a subscription. The ad model is clearly failing.

Let's get on with it then
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