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Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertically

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Re: Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertically

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You have a very incorrect build of what modern American construction is like. Yes it is mostly timer-framed, but we have fire codes which means walls are not as thin as you seem to think. Sure if you look at an apartment built in 1950 your summary is valid, but that isn't done anymore. 5 over 1 refers to section 1 and section 5 of the building code and not the number of floors built for each. It is coincidence that w…

it's still cheap and shitty and doesn't isolate sound, causing all sorts of problems with the neighbors that don't need to exist. thick concrete walls might as well be hypothetical, theoretical building material given how much not expensive it is, and thus how much rarer it is.

The use of masonry is limited by the requirements to withstand severe earthquakes, which are endemic throughout much of the US. I’ve lived in apartments that were effectively soundproof but those were legacy buildings where the interior concrete and masonry walls were not engineered to withstand earthquakes. It is pretty expensive to build apartments that are soundproof and can survive a magnitude 8+ earthquake. You can’t just throw building mass at the problem as is so common in Europe. Buildings need to have a lot of elastic flex to them.

Re: Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertically

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maybe off topic but home ownership is one good and common way to build generational wealth (opinions/citations below) but renting or lease-holding does not realize as an asset which retains its value to be passed to children. (leases can be traded, i suppose, but have a landlord and possibility of termination). But how is generational wealth and social mobility improved or hindered by multi occupancy, high-rise living and city planning such as talked about here?

https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/mortgages/articles/this-is-w... https://www.npr.org/2023/01/04/1146960942/how-buying-a-home-...

Re: Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertically

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Unpopular opinion but I hate the design of the site. The transitions are too slow and the entire site is inaccessible to anyone with vertigo, visual processing or balance disorders. Needless to say it also doesn't respect the browser's `prefers-reduced-motion` preference. A massive case of style over substance for me.

Agreed. Another downside is that it consumes huge amounts of memory.

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Re: Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertically

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I wonder if Barcelona's "ventilation-oriented" architecture from the cholera period had a measurable effect on the spread of covid. Of course the article itself notes that a lot of the architecture was "speculative", and that modern-day Barcelona is very densely populated, but still. IIRC Spain was also one of the first countries during the pandemic to publish research on the importance of keeping rooms well-ventilat…

Keep in mind Barcelona and Madrid are some of the densest cities in the whole Europe. It's one of the reasons why COVID took such a big hit at the beginning of the pandemic.

Barcelona is pretty aerial though. I’ve been there twice in my life and I’m very impressed by its original urbanism. At first sight by looking at a map it looks really American inspired but once you dig a little, it’s in fact a unique "modular" urbanism (of course I’m not talking about the historical city center, that’s another interesting topic).

What amazed me is how that city manages to be so densely populated but is designed so you never feel packed. My only "complaint" would be that there could be more trees but there were still more than in most French cities (which I’m from) so …

Re: Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertically

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What a fantastic site! Wish more titea were build this way. It was an awesome experience! I’m an outsider living in Spain for the last 22 years, I think that while the content portrays a reality of the high rise movement in Spain, there is an angle that was missed. It is important to say that the at time draconian land laws pay an important role in the urban landscape. Not to mention that Spain relative young democra…

Unpopular opinion but I hate the design of the site. The transitions are too slow and the entire site is inaccessible to anyone with vertigo, visual processing or balance disorders. Needless to say it also doesn't respect the browser's `prefers-reduced-motion` preference. A massive case of style over substance for me.

If we built everything to tiptoe around every 0.01% disorder out there, we wouldn't have anything nice.

Re: Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertically

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Unpopular opinion but I hate the design of the site. The transitions are too slow and the entire site is inaccessible to anyone with vertigo, visual processing or balance disorders. Needless to say it also doesn't respect the browser's `prefers-reduced-motion` preference. A massive case of style over substance for me.

Agreed. Another downside is that it consumes huge amounts of memory.

So what? Memory exists to be used. This isn't Slack, you don't have it open in perpetuity.

Re: Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertically

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post #352

maybe off topic but home ownership is one good and common way to build generational wealth (opinions/citations below) but renting or lease-holding does not realize as an asset which retains its value to be passed to children. (leases can be traded, i suppose, but have a landlord and possibility of termination). But how is generational wealth and social mobility improved or hindered by multi occupancy, high-rise livin…

It's an interesting question. Generational wealth only matters if some are able to do it while others are not. In other words, the only thing that really matters is inequality. I'd rather totally get rid of generational wealth (ie. inheritance) and have everyone start from the same place (or perhaps an adjusted position to compensate for other factors).

Spain has lower inequality than the UK and a lot lower than the US. Inequality in the US is rising, but inequality in Spain appears to be rising rapidly. This might be because those buildings are owned by private entities who are building generational wealth.

Re: Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertically

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Sounds like hardware rendering is not working for you. No need to blame that on the website.

Hardware rendering, lol? It's just a website, not a video game. My system is quite powerful. At least high-res OpenArena runs like a charm. Why do I need GPU to access the information - that's the question. What did they do so the website works worse than a 3D video game? Obviously I am missing something.

Welcome to the 2010s? Browsers have had 3D features for a decade, on top of 2D rendering pipelines running on GPUs. This is why you can browse the web in your phone without your battery only lasting 15 minutes.

Re: Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertically

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I find the ideal building height to be up to 6 floors at most - anything more makes the streets start to feel a bit too claustrophobic and the area less "neighborly".

6 floors pretty much requires elevators. Better to stick to 4 floors or three flights of stairs.

Re: Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertically

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post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unpopular opinion but I hate the design of the site. The transitions are too slow and the entire site is inaccessible to anyone with vertigo, visual processing or balance disorders. Needless to say it also doesn't respect the browser's `prefers-reduced-motion` preference. A massive case of style over substance for me.

If we built everything to tiptoe around every 0.01% disorder out there, we wouldn't have anything nice.

8% of people in the US have some visual impairment; 18% of those over 65.

https://hpi.georgetown.edu/visual/

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