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Trucking startup Convoy closes operations with no buyer

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Re: Trucking startup Convoy closes operations with no buyer

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Boilerplate vapid moralizing nonsense. Are you assuming there's some magic stockpile of millions upon millions hiding somewhere that could be used to sever all of these people? You've already been told this is fantastically unrealistic for a startup bankruptcy. Unless you can suggest where to find the funds, you need a reality check.

There's been some pretty clear suggestions up thread on where to find the funds, namely "several months ago in the past". To be more clear: The business (Convoy) should have shut down in e.g. August of 2023 when it was clear that they still had enough cash to pay out severance and still cover the expenses of winding down the business. They did not take this option, choosing to instead risk it all that they could brin…

If you can find out where it says companies are obligated to pay severance or other benefits to employees in the US, I'll eat my hat.

Smart business choices rarely align with choices that I benefit employees.

Re: Trucking startup Convoy closes operations with no buyer

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regardless, C-level salaries were probably high enough that they can skate by a while without a salary for a bit and pay for marketplace healthcare coverage if absolutely necessary

Everyone's salaries were probably high enough to skate by for a bit... it's a tech company not a burger king.

I LOL'd. Let's also remember that every tech company has middle and low wage jobs as well.

Re: Trucking startup Convoy closes operations with no buyer

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>CEO said there'll be no severance or healthcare. Classy. Learning a lot about how certain people treat their employees during these last couple of admittedly insane years. Good for future reference, I guess - though not much solace now. I feel for the employees. Edit: Wow, more responses than I thought! I admit that the tone of my comment was too reactionary, but my opinion stands. I won't modify the original commen…

Ex-Convoy employee here: if a company is shutting down, it obviously can't provide severance. It's not a matter of class or not.

It sure is!

I shut down a VC backed startup over a decade ago and yes we did provide severance.

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Planes prepare for basically 0 chance of failure. Most startups fail. And everyone involved should know that going into it. To operate a startup protecting against all risk will likely guarantee failure in almost all cases.

>Planes prepare for basically 0 chance of failure. NO, the entire point of plane safety is that you are prepared for the VAST MAJORITY OF FAILURES, through extensive planning, testing, regulations that force certain choices, redundancy, backups, etc. Maybe companies should stop trying to play check kiting as SOP for business operation, and be willing to admit that they sucked at business, burned a billion dollars, an…

Using all capitalized characters doesn't make your argument any better, bud.

Re: Trucking startup Convoy closes operations with no buyer

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post #251

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regardless, C-level salaries were probably high enough that they can skate by a while without a salary for a bit and pay for marketplace healthcare coverage if absolutely necessary

Everyone's salaries were probably high enough to skate by for a bit... it's a tech company not a burger king.

fair, and if you work at a startup you should be ready for it to evaporate overnight

another point, though, is the c-suite probably had more information as to how precarious the situation had gotten that the rest of the employees might not

Re: Trucking startup Convoy closes operations with no buyer

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From a friend: Everyone was laid off with no severance or benefits. The CEO put all the blame on a lender in order to explain why there were no severance packages. This sucks because they took it upon themselves to offer staff retention bonuses earlier this year to keep people around after the earlier layoff.

I'd be interested in whether the C-level got any severance or healthcare....

Probably because they're the hardest working people in the company and deserve it more /s.

Re: Trucking startup Convoy closes operations with no buyer

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(Ex-)Convoy engineer here. No mystery as to why this happened, sudden tight market and low available capital demolished us. External reasons given in the article were the same we knew and couldn't do anything about considering that none of the M&A options materialized. Detailed the shutdown on a call at 8:30am Pacific this morning. CEO said there'll be no severance or healthcare. Lot of talented folks in Seattle and…

Any insights on how effective the CEO and the executives were? I'm very curious how successful executives from big companies like Amazon function in a startup.

The COO was fired as the CEO of Expedia after a very short and disastrous run after Dara left to go run Uber.

Re: Trucking startup Convoy closes operations with no buyer

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From what I can tell, convoy has not filed for bankruptcy protection yet, which indicates that after dumping the load of their payroll, they believe they can remain solvent long enough to continue to shop their tech stack around.

That’s kinda disgusting imo. People deserve severances.

Re: Trucking startup Convoy closes operations with no buyer

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> It's swell when people gamble with employees well-being on the miniscule odds of a miracle You don't know the odds ex ante ! Again, they would have been roundly criticized if they'd prioritized severance (which means more for the highly paid) and preferred stockholders over their rank-and-file common holders. > Unemployment benefits don't come anywhere close to tech salaries! They take time to process You're arguin…

So tired of companies that raise hundreds of millions from some of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world trying to pull the “we’re a startup” card. You’re not two dudes eating ramen in a garage and you don’t get to use that image to excuse your shitty behavior. Also tired of the “other people in poverty are exploited even worse! You asking for basic labor protections shows your lack of empathy for them…

> Imagine if all the SWEs at all these VCs backed companies went on strike unless the laid off Convoy employees got six months of healthcare (it would have been in the initial employment contract).

Congress made secondary strikes illegal a long time ago. Maybe it would still be OK since that wouldn't technically be cross-industry; I'm not sure.

Re: Trucking startup Convoy closes operations with no buyer

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What would a buyer have even been purchasing in this scenario? A bunch of talented employees? Cool, they are all on the market anyway. A bunch of tiny commodity contracts? Why? A pile of code? Is it particularly hard to recreate? Valuations are having a big wake-up call across the industry. While a company can be more than the sum of its parts, VC-backed tech companies have really struggled in industries where unit-e…

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