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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by de6u99er »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #132
de6u99er wrote: post #111

I hope it can do DisplayPort Multi Stream Transport. Currently I have to connect one screen through TB4, and the other one through HDMI despite the TB4 screen being able to daisy chain through DisplayPort. One screen is a 32 inch UHD 60Hz monitor and the other one is a 24 inch 2560x1440 90Hz screen which is rotated by 90 degrees.

The hardware supports it fine, if you ran any other OS it'd work. OSX refuses to support it because it eats into their monitor sales that use an alternative TB-based multiplexing protocol (which is only available on Apple devices, which are, well, not the world's best monitors, yet somehow the most expensive per square inch in a lot of cases). All the various incarnations as far back as Ivy Bridge's TB2 should have w…

Of course the gardware supports it, otherwise I couldn't connect the second rotated screen through HDMI. But I couldn't figure out why OS-X fails to support DP-MST. If it's because they want to push their own screens then shame on Apple.

It's ridiculous that they refuse to support this. Iit's actually backfiring. Peoppe at work laugh when they see me attaching two cables to my Macbook ehile everyone else with different operating systems use their docking stations or daisy chaining. Even old Chromebooks support it.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by koito17 »

krackers wrote: post #202
cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

These warnings keep getting longer every homebrew release. You may want to try macPorts, which goes out of their way to explicitly support releases all the way down to 10.5.

One of the cooler experiences I've had with MacPorts was seeing some people go out of their way to ensure builds still worked on PPC Tiger and PPC Leopard.

I remember seeing SBCL builds broken on Darwin/ppc for a long while, and eventually SBCL decided to drop support for Darwin/ppc altogether. Still, these ports maintainers did not give up and eventually found a way to fix SBCL builds on PPC: https://trac.macports.org/ticket/65484

I recall seeing some work to bring back PPC support upstream, but I am not sure what the progress on that is. It's still cool seeing downstream users fix builds that simply didn't work (and to the point where upstream decides to remove support entirely since they couldn't build it anyway).

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by WoodenChair »

We recently had a thread on HN about how bad iCloud Drive is. Well it struck again... I upgraded to Sonoma and then it promptly started re-syncing all few hundred thousand of my files. It's just not dependable. If I could do it all over again I would have invested in DropBox years ago... but I am so deeply in the Apple ecosystem including needing their Premier bundle for various family services it seems silly not to use this built-in service.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by faitswulff »

mdaniel wrote: post #223
n8henrie wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://nixos.org/download.html#nix-install-macos The homebrew team seems incredibly burnt-out, to the point of hostility. I've really enjoyed the nixpkgs community so far and encourage others to check it out; it hasn't replaced homebrew entirely for me (yet), but it's getting closer every day.

I want to like Nix but those installation instructions for macOS (and their removal friend) are just crazypants as compared to the `sudo mkdir /nix && sudo chown $USER /nix` from the Linux version And that's not even getting into the "waaa?" from `du -hs /nix` although I am open to that being a misleading number due to hardlinks and other trickery that du may not correctly surface

The Determinate Systems nix installer is quite smooth: https://github.com/DeterminateSystems/nix-installer/

Though it does tend to get clobbered on macOS updates.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by bombcar »

kstrauser wrote: post #11
zitterbewegung wrote: post #2

I’ve been on the release candidates and the OS is very stable and I haven’t found any major breakages or random crashes . Also, homebrew has been working great and lots of other open source software S

Same for me, mostly. I had bumped into problems with apps I use: * Little Snitch needs a nightly build (status: fixed) * SoundSource doesn't work (status: fixed) * SpamSieve v2 doesn't work because Mail.app removed plugin support in favor of extensions. (status: SpamSieve v3 is out now and works) * Marked 2 broke on docs shorter than 999 visible bytes (status: still broken. Workaround: BBEdit text filter to add a bun…

Bartender 5 is paid upgrade and only for Sonoma+ - but if you bought 4 in the last year+ it's a free upgrade.

Time to put all these damn shoves and pitchforks back ...

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by halostatue »

KerrAvon wrote: post #264
esafak wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't move today, because the Sonoma release is not out yet. https://www.macports.org/install.php

I remember this being a huge issue with MacPorts. It would never keep up with the damn releases, so if you were working on a beta OS, you were hosed until they caught up.

It is, but it is mostly an issue with not having enough resources for the prebuilt images. They haven’t released a package installer for Sonoma yet, but AIUI the minimal required fixes have been in the MacPorts core for several weeks.

There are likely to be more issues related to Apple's switch to the `prime` linker.

(I’m a port contributor and am on macports-users where this issue has come up twice. There is what I think is excessive concern about the macOS beta NDA preventing the creation of a package installer until after GA when it no longer applies. A bigger problem is the availability of sufficient build hardware as they have a smallish Mac mini multi-booting into 11, 12, and 13.)

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by halostatue »

beowulfey wrote: post #282
astrange wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once again a good time to remember that there were multiple perfectly good package managers available when Homebrew was invented, they were more future-proof (by eg not putting files in /usr/local), and everyone only switched to it because for some reason Ruby programmers wanted all of their tools to be written in Ruby (and possibly by people with waxed mustaches.)

It works well now though—do you prefer any of the other package managers still?

I use both MacPorts and Homebrew. By and large, I prefer MacPorts (because I can pin a package and it will stay pinned, whereas Homebrew will upgrade a package if it happens to be a dependency of something else) but there are numerous packages and casks only available in Homebrew.

If I could switch entirely to MacPorts, I would.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by kstrauser »

bombcar wrote: post #355
kstrauser wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same for me, mostly. I had bumped into problems with apps I use: * Little Snitch needs a nightly build (status: fixed) * SoundSource doesn't work (status: fixed) * SpamSieve v2 doesn't work because Mail.app removed plugin support in favor of extensions. (status: SpamSieve v3 is out now and works) * Marked 2 broke on docs shorter than 999 visible bytes (status: still broken. Workaround: BBEdit text filter to add a bun…

Bartender 5 is paid upgrade and only for Sonoma+ - but if you bought 4 in the last year+ it's a free upgrade. Time to put all these damn shoves and pitchforks back ...

True. That’s a fair policy, even if I wasn’t able to use the discount.
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