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Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Post by dktoao »

logifail wrote: post #324
ngneer wrote: post #184

Game theory at play. Tesla and its customers are adversaries, vying for the same dollars. Tesla implementing these security measures directly translates to being able to charge more for services. Same as John Deere and many others. This is a minmax problem. How to pay the least to cause the other actor to pay the most. If the feature costs $15K and breaking security costs $15K then it is effective security. Obviously…

> Game theory at play. Tesla and its customers are adversaries, vying for the same dollars Umm, I think this is more like "airlines vs passengers" when passengers read about "hidden city ticketing" in a travel blog, think it sounds cool yet haven't properly understand it, yet decide to go to town on it anyway.[0] Since most providers are entirely at liberty to tell a customer they're no longer welcome, as a customer…

Fascinating article, didn't know skip lagging was a thing or that it is illegal. It definitely shouldn't be, just seems to be government protecting entrenched corporate interests at the cost of the populace. aka par for the course.

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Post by fho »

wongarsu wrote: post #319
zapdrive wrote: post #282

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I also change my facial hair style 4 times a year. Will start getting plastic surgery twice a year starting next year.

Against face recognition you could use CV dazzle makeup [1] to look less like a face. However I wouldn't recommend using that approach for your vehicle 1 https://dangerousminds.net/comments/foil_facebooks_facial_re...

I think that's actually quite common on new car models. The dazzle paint job makes it harder for the press to see the shape.

E.g.: https://www.bmw.com/en/automotive-life/prototype-cars.html

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Post by lockhouse »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #227
lockhouse wrote: post #58

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Is there though? Even on game consoles, the “DLC” is often a couple meg download because the actual content is already built into the game. You could turn Windows NT 3.51 Workstation into Server by just changing a registry key! https://www.landley.net/history/mirror/ms/differences_nt.htm...

I'm not sure 'MS charged $800 more for NT server when it was basically the same as NT', given how much they're known for unfair and fraudulent business practices, is the greatest argument. Expecting capitalism to be fair is probably where we're all going wrong here.

I’m not arguing whether or not it’s fair, just that at this point this is a long standing industry practice going back decades.

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Post by bastardoperator »

vessenes wrote: post #47

Pretty sophisticated attack vector: low voltage attack on AMD secure execution environment during boot. I wonder how many tries you need to get whatever bits you need in the right place. Also, I imagine you only need to cut 12V wires to do this, but I admire the willingness to get in there direct on these systems. I'd be a little nervous to make those cuts personally. Buried in the article is the claim that this will…

Definitely sophisticated, but something console hackers have been doing for quite some time now including the boot flow. I'm wondering if a Tesla vehicle/computer is more sophisticated than say a PS5?

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Post by klausa »

liber8 wrote: post #307
closewith wrote: post #289

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Dash cams are much more tightly regulated in the EU than elsewhere (you become a Data Processor and have all the responsibilities that comes with that). Private ANPR in public spaces is unlawful in I think every EU state?

Coming from an American perspective (where, when you are in public, you have basically no expectation of privacy), this seems insane. Does this mean that if I'm filming a vlog at Brandenburg Gate (which inevitably includes video of other people in the background enjoying the area), I'm in violation of privacy laws? Does that mean if I take a video selfie of me and my family members (which, again, includes images of o…

Broadly speaking the line is: someone in the background, appearing briefly: fine.

Taking photos of specific people in public without their consent: not fine.

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Post by robterrell »

technothrasher wrote: post #203
mgiampapa wrote: post #196

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Just like we used to have cable box guys willing to sell you an unlocked box for premium channels, we are eventually going to have feature unlock guys that you go do and for a small fee perform some slightly more technical hack to enable features that are already there.

This market already exists for things like enabling Navigation on VW/Audi cars. People were offering to enable the hidden Android Auto support on my Porsche Macan for $600, which I almost went for until I found the scripts and instructions to do it myself.

This is how I got CarPlay on the used BMW I bought. Gave some guy in Thailand my VIN and $60, he sent me firmware to install, and now I drive around with working CarPlay and the vague notion that I've maybe been p0wned in ways I don't fully understand.

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Post by belltaco »

RajT88 wrote: post #233
jrmg wrote: post #165

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Black markers are/were very obviously not illegal. The law doesn’t work like code, it’s filtered by humans. No court would ever come to the conclusion that something as mundane as black markers are illegal to possess.

You almost understood the point. The DMCA is a problem because putting copy protection on (for example) heated seats is a similar level of silliness to outlawing black markers.

> but the letter of the law was pretty clear that black markers were then illegal to possess

That is wrong. It's legal to possess a hammer but illegal to bash someone on the head with one. It was legal to possess a black marker and arguably illegal to use it to circumvent copy protection.

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