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French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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So I guess the French government doesn't use encryption, otherwise ... What about HTTPS? Suspicious.

Isn't HTTPS required by GDPR?

Not explicitly, and even then it would only cover the transfer of personal data.

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When they came for the protesters you did not speak out because you was not a protester... Beware when they come for you there will be no one left to speak out. ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_ )

I hope they come for the clichés and razors first... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Deserves repeating. I learned of this poem first last month, seems relevant.

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Not sure what Melenchon is doing in its list as one of it core element of its political platform is to have a new constitution with less power to the president, more counter powers, more power "to the people"

Do you really think he's being honest?

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A French judge managed to sentence some guy for not giving to the police the access codes to his phone. He had no phone...

Do you have a link for this story? Not calling you a liar, just very curious to read the details.

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Situation in France will not end well. Both rule of law and liberal democracy are increasingly damaged. Our institutions are so weak that we are one election away from a complete disaster. Our constitution always concentrated a lot of power in the hand of the president but there is no effective counter-power left. The government set multiple precedent that violate freedom of assembly and association and parliamentary…

This sounds like the normal mode for french politics. How many times has your government collapsed over the last 200 years? You're on the 5th republic or something right?

To be fair, a bunch of these happened because of wars, we didn't really control these ones.

The other bunch happened because they were precariously unstable governments.

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Situation in France will not end well. Both rule of law and liberal democracy are increasingly damaged. Our institutions are so weak that we are one election away from a complete disaster. Our constitution always concentrated a lot of power in the hand of the president but there is no effective counter-power left. The government set multiple precedent that violate freedom of assembly and association and parliamentary…

As you can see from other replies: - the French people did not care that they had to sign a paper to get out to walk - that we closed libraries and forbade people from buying clothes in supermarkets - that Macron has been in charge of the country's finances for over a decade with horrid results (+600B€ in debt) - that Macron did everything he said he would not, and said a lot of things that would be treason in a reas…

France's Debt-to-GDP[0] went up about 17 points during the first year of covid, compared to Canada's 20 points. In the following years it's gone down about 3 points, which is about the same for Canada. I don't really know who else to compare France to, since Germany, UK, and USA all have their own weird complications and Italy was hit early by covid in a way that most countries were not.

No matter who was in charge of France there was going to be a giant spike in debt during at the very least covid, and now dealing with this Ukraine mess.

[0] I greatly prefer net Debt-to-GDP, which is a closer approximation to a country's actual balance sheet, as a measure, but it isn't frequently reported and most people tend not to care.

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Another problem is how people define civil rights. We're past the point when „civil rights“ or „human rights“ had an universal meaning. You want democracy? Good. You want to limit corporations to make sure small businesses stand a fair chance? Ok. You want to touch personal property, cancel opponents or abolish borders/police/military/etc? Russian boat that way.

> abolish borders/police/military/etc? Russian boat that way. Ah yes, Soviet Russia, known for... Uh... Not having borders, police, or military. Come on man. Not all far left ideologies are authoritarian, there's a whole authoritarian-libertarian axis. Many far leftists hate authoritarians, including left wing authoritarians like state socialists, as much as you do.

Soviet Russia did abolish many borders, police forces and militaries... To enforce their own :)

So far I've met two types of far-left. Flat-out authoritarians. Or „non-authoritarians“ who stay silent on implementation of their ideas. Probably because their ideas can be implemented (and, more importantly, kept in place) either authoritarian methods. Or full support in society, which is unrealistic.

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As you can see from other replies: - the French people did not care that they had to sign a paper to get out to walk - that we closed libraries and forbade people from buying clothes in supermarkets - that Macron has been in charge of the country's finances for over a decade with horrid results (+600B€ in debt) - that Macron did everything he said he would not, and said a lot of things that would be treason in a reas…

"the French people did not care that they had to sign a paper to get out to walk" 1- Don't you think this is quite political? Like what is your benefit from saying this out of context? If signing this paper and being stricter helped the hospitals not being saturated and saved x thousands lives do you still think it was a bad thing? (I'm not even saying that's the case I'm just saying you don't seem to take that possi…

>> If signing this paper and being stricter helped the hospitals not being saturated and saved x thousands lives do you still think it was a bad thing?

If banning encryption and helping police stop terrorism saved x thousand lives do you blah blah blah blah

Do programmers hang out here? The aversion to reasoning from first principle is palpable.

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Wait for the next election in Germany. AfD has just climbed to the 2nd place with 20% of support and is still growing. Believe or not, one day you will miss someone like Orban.

The situation is a bit less dire than that thankfully. 2/3rds of AfD supporters claim to be doing it as a protest vote. And that they don't support the AfD. Just like with brexit. There's still time for an alternative before all of Europe goes in with fascism again.

> 2/3rds of AfD supporters claim to be doing it as a protest vote.

You don't vote for proto fascists as a protest vote. Especially not when you're German.

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As you can see from other replies: - the French people did not care that they had to sign a paper to get out to walk - that we closed libraries and forbade people from buying clothes in supermarkets - that Macron has been in charge of the country's finances for over a decade with horrid results (+600B€ in debt) - that Macron did everything he said he would not, and said a lot of things that would be treason in a reas…

"the French people did not care that they had to sign a paper to get out to walk" 1- Don't you think this is quite political? Like what is your benefit from saying this out of context? If signing this paper and being stricter helped the hospitals not being saturated and saved x thousands lives do you still think it was a bad thing? (I'm not even saying that's the case I'm just saying you don't seem to take that possi…

> If signing this paper and being stricter helped the hospitals not being saturated and saved x thousands lives do you still think it was a bad thing?

If patriot act helped US intelligence agencies prevent the next 9/11, do you still think it was a bad thing?

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