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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by jsz0 »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #345
jsz0 wrote: post #322

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The current trend with Apple is to radically drop features Such as?

So you think OS X server and iSync that I just mentioned were peanuts? Keychain syncing? Xcode is a mess too, Xcode3 is barely supported on 10.7 and breaks when you upgrade your device, and Xcode4 is not backwards compatible with anything.

I kind of do, yes.

OSX Server gained a simple user interface mode but otherwise is basically the same thing and now it's only $50. Just install the Server Admin package. It's exactly the same as 10.6 You can do HTTPD, VPN, POP/IMAP mail server, net boot, software update server, DNS, DHCP, etc. From what I can tell all the same functionality is there. Maybe there are some small things missing?

iSync is a relic of a bygone era that hasn't seen any updates in many years. There are better tools available like The Missing Sync. This company focuses on making a really good tool for the small number of people who need it. Apple can't cater to every niche. If they can't do it right they shouldn't do it at all IMO.

Keychain syncing is one thing I would agree on. I found it very useful. I suspect it will be coming back in the future. Apple may not have been totally comfortable with managing the keychains of 100 million people quite yet.

I don't think these changes have anything to do with iOS-ification or whatever. They were going to happen either way.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by easp »

SODaniel wrote: post #349
ori_b wrote: post #65

" OS X Mountain Lion arrives this summer. With all-new features inspired by iPad, the Mac just keeps getting better and better. " Am I the only person that doesn't want an ipad on the desktop?

You might want to move away from Mac's then. For some reason that's where it's all heading. By the end of 2012 you will be squeezing and swyping all over your 27" screen.

Which, of course, is BS

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by bytesmith »

moe wrote: post #150
swombat wrote: post #81

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"Inspired by" doesn't mean "equal to"... I don't see any evidence that those features turn your mac into an ipad.

Last time they took inspiration from iOS we ended up with "Launchpad", an inverted scroll-wheel, and the god-awful "restart all applications after reboot"-nuisance that cannot be fully disabled. Thanks but no thanks.

You can effectively disable the restart all applications behaviour by doing this: http://osxdaily.com/2011/08/25/disable-reopen-windows-when-l...

It would be nice if there was a proper system preference though.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by kingnothing »

laconian wrote: post #298
ctingom wrote: post #261

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Prediction: Apple is the company that takes TV past 1080p into much higher resolution displays (when they actually release an Apple TV). Movies are already shot at much higher resolution, and Apple will introduce Apps (subscribe to a show or network, for example).

If that happens, then I predict the end of all-you-can-eat Internet. ISPs are kvetching enough about Netflix as-is.

And hopefully after that, GoogleISP will launch on all of their dark fiber.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by phantomb »

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #233
randomdata wrote: post #176

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I have yet to use Lion, so I cannot comment if the iOS metaphor suits the personal computer, but I am all for the vendors trying something new. The desktop metaphor has been used for multiple decades now, with very little variation. While it has proven to work well, is it the best we can do, or are we stuck with baby duck syndrome?

98% of the time for me at least Lion remains near identical to previous OS X versions from a UI perspective (with the exception of full screen which was just a glaring omission from all previous version IMHO). The "Back to the Mac" line might be good marketing but massive over sell if viewed as literal truth. What they did was identify a few holes in the UI (for instance that you might not have every application you…

Why in the hell would navigating a bunch of sequential screens full of huge icons be less of a pain than an applications folder? Thank god for application launchers in any case.

And they did screw with the old ui stuff in Lion. For example, they completely fucked up Spaces when they merged everything into Mission Control. It now takes twice as long to move between spaces; you're treated to a stupid iOS-style "fade in" animation, wasting even more of your time; the steps to move a window between spaces is now more complicated; and they removed rows. Why? I assume they wanted to make it look exactly the way it does on iOS, where you just have a horizontal series of windows. This is simple and intuitive. It's also stupid as hell.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

phantomb wrote: post #355
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #233

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98% of the time for me at least Lion remains near identical to previous OS X versions from a UI perspective (with the exception of full screen which was just a glaring omission from all previous version IMHO). The "Back to the Mac" line might be good marketing but massive over sell if viewed as literal truth. What they did was identify a few holes in the UI (for instance that you might not have every application you…

Why in the hell would navigating a bunch of sequential screens full of huge icons be less of a pain than an applications folder? Thank god for application launchers in any case. And they did screw with the old ui stuff in Lion. For example, they completely fucked up Spaces when they merged everything into Mission Control. It now takes twice as long to move between spaces; you're treated to a stupid iOS-style "fade in…

> Why in the hell would navigating a bunch of sequential screens full of huge icons be less of a pain than an applications folder? Thank god for application launchers in any case.

Because you can organise them, group related stuff together and so on as opposed to having a single long list. I admit that I don't really use it (I prefer stacks in the dock) but it's better than the application folder.

> And they did screw with the old ui stuff in Lion. For example, they completely fucked up Spaces when they merged everything into Mission Control. It now takes twice as long to move between spaces; you're treated to a stupid iOS-style "fade in" animation, wasting even more of your time; the steps to move a window between spaces is now more complicated; and they removed rows. Why? I assume they wanted to make it look exactly the way it does on iOS, where you just have a horizontal series of windows.

Fair enough, I didn't really use Spaces previously so I'd not noticed the changes, though I'm not sure what you mean about the fade in. Mine transitions very quickly between spaces with no fade in.

> This is simple and intuitive. It's also stupid as hell.

Can you explain this? Simple and intuitive are good. How is that stupid.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by mike-cardwell »

batista wrote: post #340
mike-cardwell wrote: post #178

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I was attempting to prompt you into retracting your ridiculous statement about malware not being a problem. I wish I hadn't bothered now. I'll leave you to it.

I was attempting to prompt you into retracting your ridiculous statement about malware not being a problem. Ridiculous how? It's perfectly valid, as in: VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY FEW OS X users ever had problems with malware. Less that what would be statistical noise. On top of it, all the cases of OS X malware, had been trojans. So, 99.9999% got scratch free, despite not even running any antivirus or anything. So, an…

You thought I was talking about malware that exists today. I wasn't. That's why your response made no sense. I was talking about in the future, when malware is installed before revocation certificates are pushed out.

This is why it looked like you were the one that was ignoring the future likelihood of malware on OSX, not me.

Go back to your first comment in this thread, and look at my most recent response to it. Then read my original comment. The problem here is that you simply misunderstood my initial comment, and replied to something which I did not say.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by [deleted] »

batista wrote: post #340
mike-cardwell wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was attempting to prompt you into retracting your ridiculous statement about malware not being a problem. I wish I hadn't bothered now. I'll leave you to it.

I was attempting to prompt you into retracting your ridiculous statement about malware not being a problem. Ridiculous how? It's perfectly valid, as in: VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY FEW OS X users ever had problems with malware. Less that what would be statistical noise. On top of it, all the cases of OS X malware, had been trojans. So, 99.9999% got scratch free, despite not even running any antivirus or anything. So, an…

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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by rmc »

ceejayoz wrote: post #216
ori_b wrote: post #147

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With Debian and Ubuntu, there is no difficulty installing arbitrary unsigned packages, putting your own binaries on and running them, etc. There is a source that the community recommends, but that's all it is -- a recommendation. That's not the case with OSX, as far as I can tell.

> With Debian and Ubuntu, there is no difficulty installing arbitrary unsigned packages, putting your own binaries on and running them, etc. Changing a single setting in the Preferences app (once!) is "difficult" now?

Yes.

Defaults matter. Non-technical users don't know about this computer magic.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by rmc »

gizzlon wrote: post #232
rmc wrote: post #131

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the apps are carefully reviewed Carefully reviewed to ensure they don't upload your whole address book.

Don't get why parent was down-voted? Seems like legitimate criticism to me: How can they claim the software is "carefully reviewed" to "protect the user" but still allow seemingly dangerous app?

Tis a marketing approach to allow them more control.
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