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Re: Millions snap up new Germany-wide public transit ticket

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

this_user wrote: post #211
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #50

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>It will only get higher if we try to intentionally decrease worker productivity by forcing them to 'serve a year of their life for public services'. That's blatantly false. It works in Austria quite well. The healthcare and social service systems would not be able to function without the mandatory and voluntary unpaid 9 months work of the 17 - 19 year olds before they hit off for university. What worker productivity…

> We're talking about 17-19 year olds, not experienced workers who need to be pulled away from their well paying jobs. But these people are starting university one year later, which means they graduate a year later, which means these badly needed, highly qualified workers become available to the job market a year later, because they have to spend their time doing some menial job that most of them have no interest in…

Sure, but if you cut everyone loose now, than the whole system becomes understaffed instantly and collapses. You can't wait 10+ years until all those you cut loose have great paying jobs and their taxes pay for the necessary workers.

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

panick21_ wrote: post #222
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #87

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> Is there any supporting official position on this or just personal opinion? The government figures and claims are supporting this opinion. In fact, it's been the government's opinion, not mine. I'm just quoting it. >If true I find it very scary that a country's health and social service systems would crumble were it not for the 3 months per year the teenagers of the country contribut 9 months not 3, and yes, that's…

> You don't need too long training to be qualified to drive an ambulance or perform CPR. At least not here. Teenagers are quite smart and quick learners if you treat them well. What? I did civil service in Switzerland and while there are some jobs that require CPR courses to be done before hand, in non is it actually expected that you need it regularly. And for absolutely sure will they not let 18 year old drive ambu…

https://www.roteskreuz.at/steiermark/knittelfeld/zivildienst...

https://www.tips.at/nachrichten/linz/leben/550309-zivildiene...

Re: Millions snap up new Germany-wide public transit ticket

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Post by amadeuspagel »

bahnkenner wrote: post #43

The biggest advantage of the new Germany-wide ticket is not the price, but rather that it simplifies things. This is a map of German public transit companies: [0]. I've heard the current fractured system be compared to the Holy Roman Empire. Every little region has its own ticketing system. If you arrive in a new city, you have to figure out how to buy local transit tickets, often with quite complicated rules (e.g.,…

In cities outside of germany, when you arrive at a new city you buy a transit ticket, you swipe that at the entrance and the exit, and anything related to zones or whatever works automatically, you don't have to think about it.

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Post by thecopy »

snvzz wrote: post #347
thecopy wrote: post #334

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In Switzerland there are no gates or a need for "showing a card/ticket to an operator, or otherwise proving you have, in fact, purchased a fare". You just enter the bus/train/tram vehicle. Maybe a ticket controllant comes, maybe not (most often they dont come and check) EDIT: To get a ticket you simple open the app and "check in". When you leave the transport you open the app and "check out". At the end of the day th…

So you need a "compatible smartphone" to travel? That's messed up.

There are also ticket machines at almost every stop, if you dont have a smartphone. You can pay with cash, card, and i believe with Bitcoin too

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Post by aix1 »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #353
bahnkenner wrote: post #43

The biggest advantage of the new Germany-wide ticket is not the price, but rather that it simplifies things. This is a map of German public transit companies: [0]. I've heard the current fractured system be compared to the Holy Roman Empire. Every little region has its own ticketing system. If you arrive in a new city, you have to figure out how to buy local transit tickets, often with quite complicated rules (e.g.,…

In cities outside of germany, when you arrive at a new city you buy a transit ticket, you swipe that at the entrance and the exit, and anything related to zones or whatever works automatically, you don't have to think about it.

I read your comment as suggesting that this is the norm outside Germany. While systems like this exist (e.g. in London) in my experience they aren't as common as I wish they were.

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Post by lozenge »

wheels wrote: post #280
yarg wrote: post #259

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> I'm going to float a theory: you live in Silicon Valley and that doesn't seem like much money? I'm a suicidal burn out trying to drag my mind back from oblivion, I sure as shit am not on silicon valley money. Also: > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. Your argument's a straw man, regardless of the fact that y…

> What's the percentage of overall income? Half of that? So low that your argument holds very little water. Yeah, about that. Do you think most working class people are flippant about costs that take 2.5% of their pre-tax income? I'm in favor of the €49/month ticket. It's a step forward. But I genuinely don't understand how (and it feels like some sort of cultural or social class disconnect) that seems trivial to peo…

Because it covers all their transport needs for a month?

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Post by morelisp »

lispm wrote: post #343
EngManagerIsMe wrote: post #328

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Hamburg's busses don't have coin boxes or sell tickets/fares? You don't have any mechanism that requires swiping a card, tapping a device, showing a card/ticket to an operator, or otherwise proving you have, in fact, purchased a fare? In Seattle, we tap our cards on something that looks like this: https://seattletransitblog.com/2011/06/28/dont-tap-orca-here... It's pretty quick, but on the busiest bus routes it slows…

There are zero barriers. We just go in: bus, train, ferry, platform, station.

Ferries technically have a barrier, which you'll appreciate once you're on the water.

The Berlin F24, on the other hand...

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Post by carlmr »

worklaptopacct wrote: post #338
rcme wrote: post #141

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Generally, I agree, it isn't very complicated to understand. But, it's very easy to forget to buy a C ticket if you're used to hopping on the U-bahn with your monthly AB ticket.

An airport being outside of city limits has its historical reason (the Allies have agreed that the entire area of Berlin could only be served by airlines operated by one of the four occupational forces, so East Germany simply built an airport just beyond city limits so that they could serve Berlin with its domestic airline). But an airport being just outside of the "regular" fare zone is something that's unfortunatel…

It's also high noise and air pollution, so you'd want it to be far from the city.

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Post by carlmr »

mejutoco wrote: post #154
rcme wrote: post #141

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Generally, I agree, it isn't very complicated to understand. But, it's very easy to forget to buy a C ticket if you're used to hopping on the U-bahn with your monthly AB ticket.

The announcement mentions you do need it when announcing the stop. By then it is prob too late, though. If you use the bvg app it tells you which ticket you need for any destination, but non-locals might not know that.

>If you use the bvg app it tells you which ticket you need for any destination, but non-locals might not know that.

I don't know the BVG app, but if you're not regularly in some city installing an app, finding out how it works, adding your payment info is a huge hassle.

We need a single app for all German transit, that is well designed. Instead of hundreds or thousands of apps for every city and village.

What I also really liked is the chargeable chip cards in Taiwan. You could enter and exit anywhere.

Your card is charged with exactly the distance traveled.

No thinking needed. Short distances are always cheap. E.g. if you travel from zone B-C but start just one stop before B ends, you wouldn't pay for the whole of B. You just pay what you use, which is fair.

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Post by lozenge »

BasedGroyper99 wrote: post #31
thanatos519 wrote: post #5

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Even more: Public transport is a public good which should be funded by fossil fuel taxes and provided to users without cost.

Why is it a public good? It only benefits the individuals who are travelling. If I take the train to visit my sister, I don't see how that is in the public's interest.

If you're a business it will help you if you can select employees or receive customers from a large geographical region. As the economy and all public services depend on businesses, that's the public interest.
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