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Post by emodendroket »

andy_ppp wrote: post #318
cfeduke wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There’s no dent By the time there is a dent, it's too late.

Sounds great but you’ll have to provide some logic because I don’t automatically follow your extremely confident opinion…

The fear of investors and, to some extent, Google, is that LLMs will supplant traditional search and by the time enough people are catching on to affect metrics the momentum will be too great to stop. My experience with LLMs has not led me to believe that is all that likely but opinions differ there.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by kubectl_h »

rchaud wrote: post #99
m_ke wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They raised a ton of money on a high valuation, spent 25mil to make 1 mil last year and are now scrambling to raise a new crowd sourced round because they don't want to get wiped out in a down round. This notes thing looks like an attempt to pivot to an advertising based business model and I'm guessing they think they have "influencers" on their platform to bring in a decent audience.

Next on the product roadmap: - Infinite scrolling feed w/ ads - Video Substacks - Infinite scrolling video Substacks w/ ads

Don't forget the chumboxes.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by ceejayoz »

nr2x wrote: post #335
ceejayoz wrote: post #285

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> You should look up global search volumes and Google share of it. There’s no dent. "You should look up global search volumes and Yahoo's share of it. There’s no dent" was once a valid statement. Same for Altavista, MySpace, etc. You can go from on top to the bottom very fast in this realm.

Key difference is Google pays a FUCKTON of money to be default search provider. The US Department of Justice is going after this. Once Google can’t pay-to-play in Safari and iOS they are in very deep shit. This is the classic thing with monopolies: eventually the “innovation” is just leveraging market power to deepen the moat by burning cash. This is what happens when the CFO runs the damn company. Sundar has no visi…

> Key difference is Google pays a FUCKTON of money to be default search provider.

Yahoo used to pay for that, and to package the Yahoo Toolbar pretty much everywhere. I remember when it used to try to install itself with MySQL. I'm sure it helps, for a while, until it suddenly doesn't.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by tracker1 »

g42gregory wrote: post #188
jpmattia wrote: post #115

It wasn't like Twitter's business had a large technical barrier-to-entry. And Musk seems to be pissing away his non-technical barrier-to-entry just about as hard as he can. Good luck to Substack on eating twitter's lunch! Edit: That said, I've found mastodon (@jpmattia@mastodon.mit.edu) to be a much more pleasant interaction compared to twitter, so I'm curious what the landscape looks like in a couple of years.

Well, he is definitely upsetting some (many) people. But, at the same time, he is getting the new set of people as users. In the last few years, I would not touch Twitter with a ten-foot pole. Mostly because, I could no longer assess the provenance of the posts and the authenticity of their rankings. Is this post popular/important or is this post was put into my stream by Twitter/other entities in order to influence…

I've fallen back to mostly just using the Recent (Following) tab, which means I miss a lot, but at least it's mostly relevant. I'll often search on a topic that I see on my youtube channels that I want to dig into.

My biggest complaint, is that even paying for it, you still see (a lot og) ads... I'd be happier paying for it, and getting no ads than the blue checkmark. Also, the UX on the post delay/edit with blue is annoying as hell.

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Post by jononomo »

jimsimmons wrote: post #221
Cardinal7167 wrote: post #141

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The great shake up has started. Google pissing their pants with AIs abrupt arrival, Twitter dying a death by a million cuts, Facebook in mid-air making their VR play, the tech skyline will look very different in 5 years.

You should look up global search volumes and Google share of it. There’s no dent

I just switched to Bing about three months ago -- I haven't noticed any difference, to be honest.

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Post by andy_ppp »

emodendroket wrote: post #351
andy_ppp wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds great but you’ll have to provide some logic because I don’t automatically follow your extremely confident opinion…

The fear of investors and, to some extent, Google, is that LLMs will supplant traditional search and by the time enough people are catching on to affect metrics the momentum will be too great to stop. My experience with LLMs has not led me to believe that is all that likely but opinions differ there.

We need search to be able to fact check the LLMs, but this might become extremely difficult once all the content is written by them…

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Post by natch »

czbond wrote: post #175
jpmattia wrote: post #115

It wasn't like Twitter's business had a large technical barrier-to-entry. And Musk seems to be pissing away his non-technical barrier-to-entry just about as hard as he can. Good luck to Substack on eating twitter's lunch! Edit: That said, I've found mastodon (@jpmattia@mastodon.mit.edu) to be a much more pleasant interaction compared to twitter, so I'm curious what the landscape looks like in a couple of years.

Twitter's barrier wasn't that it was technically hard - it was that it was free and had critical mass. There still isn't much of a reason to move away from it, except for those who want to signal their disdain for Musk's political views

While relying on unchecked assumptions about what those views are. EDS = Elon Derangement Syndrome.

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Post by gessha »

lenkite wrote: post #326
andy_ppp wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds great but you’ll have to provide some logic because I don’t automatically follow your extremely confident opinion…

People here are praying very hard for Twitter to fail. Nearly any social media post nowadays has 50-100 comments predicting Twitter's failure and ranting about Musk. He is living rent-free in many heads now. Its utterly ludicrous how so many intelligent and rational people are becoming un-hinged whenever Twitter/Musk is mentioned.

Any publicity is good publicity it seems like. People don’t get that hating is not the opposite of love, it’s indifference. Mute and forget.

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

jimsimmons wrote: post #221
Cardinal7167 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The great shake up has started. Google pissing their pants with AIs abrupt arrival, Twitter dying a death by a million cuts, Facebook in mid-air making their VR play, the tech skyline will look very different in 5 years.

You should look up global search volumes and Google share of it. There’s no dent

1. ChatGPT is very, very new, and habits change slowly

2. For non plus users, chatGPT UX is poor with slow responses, captchas and random logouts

3. All of this will eventually change

There is no more major growth for Google, which is all that matters to Wall Street.

It will go down slowly, but it will go down.

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Post by jononomo »

ghiculescu wrote: post #48

I love Substack. But apart from to mess with Twitter I really don’t understand the point of this. https://substack.com/profile/241262-casey-newton/note/c-1446... I’d a good summary. I don’t want to subscribe to hundreds of newsletters to see tweet (sorry, notes). But if you change that setup, it really is a Twitter clone with no upside to writers.

What if Substack just eats Twitter's lunch? Would you see the point then?
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