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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by rvz » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:34 PM UTC

Beaver117 wrote: post #11

Just hurry up and automate everyone's jobs so we can get UBI

I don't think you are even serious, because if you were you would quickly realize that:

   Every single UBI experiment that has been tried has ended in failure.

It is borderline insanity to retry such an experiment and expecting a different result without bankrupting an entire country just for those sitting around doing nothing.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by laserlight » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:34 PM UTC

nemothekid wrote: post #223

satvikpendem wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. You are working the same number of hours as before (40 ish) because companies are producing 10x as much goods in the same amount of time. If they produced only the same amount, ie 1x, you'd have your 2 hour work day (or more likely be out of a job). It is because companies are producing more stuff that you have a job…

> You are complaining about the very thing you benefit from now. It's dubious that anyone except the most wealthy benefits from this. Even though productivity has exploded, wages hasn't followed and the rewards of productivity has gone to a small few. I don't know how anyone can look at wealth inequality today and think most people should be "grateful". It's more likely to me that rest of America will start to look l…

Supporting evidence:

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by vc8f6vVV » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:34 PM UTC

phpisthebest wrote: post #253

transcoderx wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much do you think you would have had to pay for an iPhone 200 years ago? Are you sure society hasn't benefitted from productivity increases?

That depends on you believe society has actually benefited (on the whole) from iPhone, internet, social media etc Which is a different question from productivity

It depends largely on your definition of "benefit".

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by laurels-marts » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:35 PM UTC

andai wrote: post #214

>Very few people truly understand the implications of this technology. Most people haven’t had a chance to try it yet. Can someone explain this? People keep asking me about ChatGPT but none of them have tried it. Why? Are people too scared to even take a look? It's been free for almost half a year now!

I have two senior devs in my team. I’m more junior than both. This week I asked if they had tried GPT and both said no. One expressed concerns about privacy, the other about losing skill/knowledge because of the potential over-reliance on such tools.

Both of them are good devs, but one of them is an absolute killer. Closest to a 10x dev I’ve seen. But to me both arguments were not convincing and the way they expressed them were a bit conspiratorial and shallow. Not that these concerns are not completely without merit but still.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by lovelearning » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:35 PM UTC

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

I agree with the principle, but I feel there's a bit of post hoc rationalization here.

It would have been more believable if Altman and co had proposed a practical income system first, started its rollout, and only then released the GPTs.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by navigate8310 » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:35 PM UTC

adhocmobility wrote: post #123

Hi everyone, author of the article here. I'm sorry if the article sounds overly pessimistic. I'm not making any claims with this article. I'm not proposing anything either. I do think technological progress is a good thing, even in this case. But I wrote this blog because I did have an emotional response to this technology, and wanted to pen down my thoughts. Its one thing to look at a report about the economic impac…

This attitude can only stem from a society that loves to thrive off subsidies and earning bread by doing menial and repetitive assignments.

What must be pondered upon is embracing GPT along with human intelligence instead without human intelligence.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by XorNot » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:36 PM UTC

ResearchCode wrote: post #157

tap-snap-or-nap wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone who has been unemployed may know how badly it affects a persons self-worth.

That has more to do with discrimination against the unemployed.

Discrimination against poor people, more specifically. No one cares how unemployed you are if you're rich. Or at least well off enough to be reclassified as "eccentric" and thus okay.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by rdedev » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:36 PM UTC

pavel_lishin wrote: post #167

logicalmonster wrote: post #138

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

I have a hard time believing that more jobs would be created. Like what a prompt engineer? As far as LLMs go, only companies that can afford the compute seem to be building one from scratch. So I don't think any new ML engineer jobs are going to get created

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by t43562 » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:36 PM UTC

j_crick wrote: post #136

hparadiz wrote: post #93

I asked GPT4 to write me a simple document. Took like 9 tries and I had to proof read it and make adjustments. And that's with a simple paragraph in a written language. Forget about doing the header and the footer properly. It's silly that I have to spell it out on HN of all places. Writing code is much more complex. There's a reason we call the job "Software Engineer". GPT doesn't know what it doesn't know. It doesn…

After all the AI doomsday cults took over some of the media lately, all I’ve been thinking was... Before you say how the butlerian jihad absolutely definitely happens right goddamn tomorrow if we dOn’T sToP, try to create and successfully run an AI that would bake bread, or grow grapes and make wine, or run a good restaurant consistently day after day, year after year. If such an AI is possible then yes, perhaps we’r…

Yes, I think you have it. It could cook up an unreliable essay on how to run a restaurant but not do it.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by ajmurmann » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 3:37 PM UTC

I find it frightening how views anecdotally online and from people I meet in person are more and more shifting to zero-sum. It now seems even dominant here on HN. By any objective metric (GDP, child mortality, people with college degrees, literacy, average home size) lives have gotten better. Yet everyone is focused on others having more. "It's the billionaires who are sucking up the gains, jobs moving abroad...". It seems to be blinding many people from seeing what liberalism (classical) has given us. I'm afraid we are gonna kill the golden goose and see more conflict within and between societies and countries because of the zero-sum thinking.