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Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

7speter wrote: post #334
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #265

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I also switched to arch for a bit, but then I was left with an unbootable system after the arch devs shipped grub's master branch as stable. The arch devs were completely unapologetic and told me 'well maybe you shouldn't use arch if you can't recover a system who won't boot' Immediately formatted and switched to pop OS and I've never been happier.

Gnome keeps me off of pop. I look forward to the popos team are ready to ship cosmic as the default desktop. Have you tried OpenSuse Tumbleweed or Gecko Linux? Tumbleweed is a rolling distro but the maintainers apparently test all of the updates they push. OpenSuse can feel a but clunky (it asks for passwords for “everything” for instance), but theres Gecko, which acts a bit as a wrapper of a distro to make OpenSuse…

I don't understand the hate for gnome, but xfce / kde / i3 or whatever is just a sudo apt install away.

I've heard good things about tumbleweed and it even has support for WSL, so I might try that if I ever build a gaming pc and have to main windows.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by tremon »

PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #261
phkahler wrote: post #208

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>> There is no such thing as a "standard" .deb or .rpm. Unless you're statically linking against distro policy they have dependencies on the particular version of the distribution they are built for. If you're using a "Debian based" distribution, the "standard" .deb is the one shipping with Debian. If it doesn't work on the derivative distro, they are doing something wrong. Or like I said, maybe the dependencies are…

Find a deb packaged for an older version of Debian and see if it runs, there's no guarantee, if the software was closed-source you're basically out of luck, unless people statically link all of glibc, ssl etc into their application which is a big no no. This is the problem that Flapak, Snap etc try and solve. I won't put AppImage onto that list because it actually doesn't solve the problem it just makes it worse.

So, Flatpak and Snap solve the problem of wanting to run stale software? That ought to be a very niche requirement, I would think.

I was under the impression that Debian already solved that problem by allowing you to deploy an older Debian version in a chroot with debootstrap? As long as the Linux kernel is binary compatible, that should work fine. Although I have to admit I don't use stale software that often, so I have little experience in that area.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by colordrops »

jrsj wrote: post #350
sockaddr wrote: post #259

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This also happened to me. So I decided to uninstall the snap and “apt install firefox” Guess what I got? A freaking snap. Yes, try it. I’m done with Ubuntu

I can't recommend EndeavourOS enough. You get all the good parts of Arch with an easy to use graphical installer, XFCE or another DE + great Nvidia support out of the box.

And if you are down to install and configure your distro from the CLI, NixOS is amazing.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by ttctciyf »

alias_neo wrote: post #321
sockaddr wrote: post #259

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This also happened to me. So I decided to uninstall the snap and “apt install firefox” Guess what I got? A freaking snap. Yes, try it. I’m done with Ubuntu

It is possible to get an apt package, you have to jump through a few hoops but it can be done; I do it every time I install Ubuntu (frequently) because I won't touch that snap shite again. I can't move work off of Ubuntu; it's too embedded now, but I'm looking for something else for home. Switching distro-base isn't so easy when you've been using it for decades though; I tried NixOS but it wasn't comfortable (Nix is…

Manjaro was a very smooth transition from an ubuntu-based system (neon, in fact) for me.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by dizhn »

Jnr wrote: post #174
wilonth wrote: post #161

Wow they're still pushing snaps, the project with some the worst engineering I've ever seen. - Extremely slow at doing anything, even the most basic commands. - Ridiculous auto-update mechanism (you can't even disable it wtf). - Random, nonsense limitations (why can't I open dot files and dot directories???). So terrible that for most apps that I installed with snaps I end up installing the deb version later on. What…

For some reasons they ship it with servers as well. So the first task after getting ubuntu up and running, you have to uninstall snap.

LXD is a legit product. Too bad they only ship it as snaps. I think Debian finally has packages for it but I haven't tested it. I actually stopped using it because I don't want to use an Ubuntu stewarded project. More and more it's getting harder to use plain lxc. Almost all resources are talking about it in an lxd context nowadays.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by hedora »

Spooky23 wrote: post #318
friend_and_foe wrote: post #263

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Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.

My favorite fail with Ubuntu is every version changes how DNS configuration works.

This was my last straw. I installed some 6 month old LTS release, and it had to go through a 2-5 second timeout step on the initial lookup of each new dns name. Then, it would populate a local cache, and work well until the TTL expired or whatever.

Anyway, if you are looking for a noob distro, I recommend manjaro. (The AUR packages are extremely unstable, but other than that, it’s pretty competitive with what Ubuntu was 10-15 years ago.)

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by tremon »

doublepg23 wrote: post #298
prmoustache wrote: post #210

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History has shown that application developers are very bad at releasing good deliverable without too much security holes in the packaged libraries or bad practices. And the sandboxing in flatpak is actually meant to protect users from harm done by clueless devs but it fails because devs can actually build non sandboxed flatpaks and they will do it because they don't care

Why would you use software if you think the dev is too incompetent to package it?

Because I trust that distro maintainers catch the most obvious errors before packaging and releasing the software.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by jrsj »

unicornporn wrote: post #323
sockaddr wrote: post #259

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This also happened to me. So I decided to uninstall the snap and “apt install firefox” Guess what I got? A freaking snap. Yes, try it. I’m done with Ubuntu

Looking at the responses to this post, a more expected headline would've been “Ubuntu stops shipping Snap by default”.

If they actually wanted Ubuntu desktop usage to go up instead of down this is exactly what they would have done

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by dizhn »

PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #261
phkahler wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> There is no such thing as a "standard" .deb or .rpm. Unless you're statically linking against distro policy they have dependencies on the particular version of the distribution they are built for. If you're using a "Debian based" distribution, the "standard" .deb is the one shipping with Debian. If it doesn't work on the derivative distro, they are doing something wrong. Or like I said, maybe the dependencies are…

Find a deb packaged for an older version of Debian and see if it runs, there's no guarantee, if the software was closed-source you're basically out of luck, unless people statically link all of glibc, ssl etc into their application which is a big no no. This is the problem that Flapak, Snap etc try and solve. I won't put AppImage onto that list because it actually doesn't solve the problem it just makes it worse.

Distrobox is an option too.
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