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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Why are there still only tiny slivered arrow keys when the palm rest is so big you could park a car on it?

Indeed, all the space could be used to fit a keyboard in this manner very nicely https://imgur.com/a/V0Ykw1D and make this and any laptop immensely more usable.

Have this in an external, but wouldn’t want keyboard off center.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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One of my favorite things for keyboards is the ThinkPad feature where the Page Up and Page Down is above the Left and Right key. I don't understand why others don't do this, its so practical. Specially in cases like this, there is just an empty space there. Why not put 2 more keys? ThinkPad also makes them full sized keys, that would be even better. But just having empty space? Why?

Hm, I still re-map those to forwards and backwards like old ThinkPads.

I should try the Page Up / Page Down config.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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What 16:9 is good for? It is inconvenient for any work: for coding, reading articles or working with documents more height is better. Please explain for what kind of activity wide, but low height screen is the most suitable? The only thing that comes to mind is killing time by watching videos on social networks sites.

> What 16:9 is good for? It is inconvenient for any work: for coding, reading articles or working with documents more height is better. Is it? Gee, I wonder why it's the only screen ratio I've seen people use since we moved away from CRT screens until a few years ago when 4k and friends became popular and there was suddenly no standard resolution to expect anymore. Curious that we're all using this inferior ratio for…

Hdtv made economies of scale that eliminated everything else for a time. Eventually more sophisticated folks realized it is horrible for everything but non-video applications. Mobile is separate because it’s mostly a consumption device.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Hmmm. My experience with XPS 15s is you can turn it off with software in Linux, but it was pretty technical (not something average users would be keen on). I wasn't sure if that was the case for most laptops. It definitely wasn't drawing 0W when I was just coding/browsing/etc though, it doubled the battery life in Linux when I turned it off.

ASUS laptops, as of 6.1, I think, have kernel support and a userspace CLI and GUI to trivially configure this stuff (`asusctl`). In Windows, you can use GHelper and avoid the hundreds of megabytes of gaudy crap that is Armory Crate to configure this as well. `asusctl` (the CLI), and `rog-control-center` (the GUI) lets you configure fan curves, "ultimate mode" (mux switch), LED lights, effects, panel overdrive, batter…

That's really interesting to know. Thanks for mentioning it. The laptop sounds fantastic too: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Zephyrus-G14-GA402R-G...

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Hmmm. My experience with XPS 15s is you can turn it off with software in Linux, but it was pretty technical (not something average users would be keen on). I wasn't sure if that was the case for most laptops. It definitely wasn't drawing 0W when I was just coding/browsing/etc though, it doubled the battery life in Linux when I turned it off.

Yeah, my experience with iGPU+dGPU setups outside of MacBooks has been messy. Part of the problem perhaps is the various different ways it can be set up, e.g. with/without mux switch, and last I knew AMD and Nvidia handle iGPU ↔ dGPU handoffs differently rather than agreeing on a standard. With that in mind I'd also prefer that there be a way to flip off the dGPU in BIOS to guarantee that it can't unexpectedly become…

I don’t think apple gets enough credit for how good their automatic graphics switching implementation was. I’d argue that most users who benefitted from it didn’t even know it was happening. It’s such a useful feature too, because dGPUs generally kill notebook batteries, and even at idle, they probably generate an impactful amount of heat.

Is there truly no equivalent to apples automatic graphic switching for PC laptops? If so that’s WILD.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I think we talked about that before, but lmk if you need help with S0. It takes some work, but it's possible to get to less than 0.5%/battery/hour, a fair benchmark as a battery reduced by >=5% after 10h of sleep is generally acceptable

holy crap, I'd love usage numbers that low. I'm running PopOS on a thinkpad, not on a framework, but S0 has been a long fight for me and I haven't felt like I've made much progress. Do you have links to useful resources??

I have more experience with thinkpads, so yes ofc!

First please read my windows guide on csdvrx.github.io: it's very generic and should get you a baseline in Windows

Then get at least a week worth of measurements over long periods of sleep (like at night, reboot on windows) as a baseline

Then tell me how it compares to what you get on Linux after enabling everythig with powertop tunables and we'll work from there, as it'll be more precise than powertop.

Just send that by email at my outlook address. Includes the discharge line plot from Windows sleepstudy you find the more relevant, and a dmesg from linux

FYI, without wifi, on my thinkpad recently installed to Arch I measure 3.6W in powertop but I think it needs a recalibration as I measure 2W on a USBC power meter when idling with wifi enabled and a full wayland desktop (edge, etc)

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> DPI scaling hackery Under X11 with KDE, or under Windows, that's no problem whatsoever. 144dpi isn't any more hacky than 96dpi or 192dpi. It's only macOS, Gnome and Wayland that require 1x or 2x scaling (which is absolutely mind-bogglingly ridiculous, and anyone that contributed to that or encouraged that should be banned from ever touching UI code again).

Fractional scaling is just broken by design. If you have combined vector/bitmap graphics (like most web pages) designed for 'canonical' DPI, you can either break proportions between vectors and bitmaps (rendering vectors with proper DPI, while for bitmaps use nearest integer scale), or render everything with proper scale and introduce artifacts like blurring of sharp edges to bitmaps.

And yet browsers support a whole range of fractional scaling, often letting you pick individual percentage points. Same with word processors.

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Niche? One for the keyboard, one for the mouse. That's a normal computer, if you believe wires are better than Bluetooth.

We're talking about a laptop. What's the point of a laptop if you're just going to make it into an underpowered desktop? And it's not like mouses and keyboards need a 4Gbps connection to the host. Plug them into a tiny hub. You're already lugging a keyboard and mouse around, why not a hub too?

I don't lug a keyboard and mouse around, but I'm very happy happy to have three ports on my Thinkpad. There are lots of other things to plug in - MIDI controllers, audio interfaces, macropads, microcontroller dev boards and debuggers, cameras and other capture devices. It depends on what you do with your computer.
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