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Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I was at the talk, and it's strange this what people take from it. You should watch the whole thing and see what he built over years. I was a bit disappointed that most of the questions ignored his talk about a very cool jukebox he built and focused on OS drama. He built a jukebox with all hit songs he could find in it 1900-2000 and for prerecorded music, got a player piano and sheet music and midi and integrated the…

Thanks for this! If anyone can suggest a good title for the talk as a whole, we'll change it above. (By 'good' I mean accurate, neutral, and representative of the talk as a whole.) ((The submitted URL was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaandEt_pKw&t=3473s , but our software swapped in the canonical URL, which has no timestamp.)) Edit: I've put a placeholder up there for the time being until we get a better suggestio…

Thompson's talk is very interesting, but it's also interesting that Thompson has decided to use a UNIX clone for his daily compute over macOS. The original submission included the timestamp to concisely link to the comment. It might be that autocanonicalizing YouTube submissions to remove the timestamp is the actual issue, perhaps that could be reconsidered.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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post #346

I was at the talk, and it's strange this what people take from it. You should watch the whole thing and see what he built over years. I was a bit disappointed that most of the questions ignored his talk about a very cool jukebox he built and focused on OS drama. He built a jukebox with all hit songs he could find in it 1900-2000 and for prerecorded music, got a player piano and sheet music and midi and integrated the…

Thanks for this! If anyone can suggest a good title for the talk as a whole, we'll change it above. (By 'good' I mean accurate, neutral, and representative of the talk as a whole.) ((The submitted URL was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaandEt_pKw&t=3473s , but our software swapped in the canonical URL, which has no timestamp.)) Edit: I've put a placeholder up there for the time being until we get a better suggestio…

A good title might be "Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox"

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm not mistaken, Apple was the one that blacklisted Nvidia hardware, not the other way around. You can still download bog-standard UNIX drivers for Nvidia hardware, Apple just won't let you install them.

What are “bog-standard UNIX drivers” and what other GPU vendors supply such a driver that can be installed on a Mac?

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Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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post #346

I was at the talk, and it's strange this what people take from it. You should watch the whole thing and see what he built over years. I was a bit disappointed that most of the questions ignored his talk about a very cool jukebox he built and focused on OS drama. He built a jukebox with all hit songs he could find in it 1900-2000 and for prerecorded music, got a player piano and sheet music and midi and integrated the…

Thanks for this! If anyone can suggest a good title for the talk as a whole, we'll change it above. (By 'good' I mean accurate, neutral, and representative of the talk as a whole.) ((The submitted URL was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaandEt_pKw&t=3473s , but our software swapped in the canonical URL, which has no timestamp.)) Edit: I've put a placeholder up there for the time being until we get a better suggestio…

dang, it's far too late to change the submission title when there are already hundreds of comments focused on the old title. The commentary makes no sense now.

If anything, there should be a separate submission with the new title.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I was using a combination of windows/linux for a while until my archlinux laptop shit the bed after an update and I decided to say, fuck it, I'm finally buying a macbook because at least then I can still do unix shit without having to worry about everything working the next day.

I'm not happy about "Apple Silicon", it does feel restrictive and often times the only way to get around it is to use licensed VMs, which feels like a bit of a rip off. At the same time, my laptop runs phenomenally well, does everything I need it to do, and it never dies or gets overheated under normal use. I can't really complain.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I moved from 15+ years of Mac to FreeBSD about 2 years ago for similar reasons. It's too locked-down, too opinionated, too iOS for me now. Very happy with FreeBSD + KDE which gives me configuration choices again.

Could you share with us why you chose FreeBSD over Linux?

I did exactly the same and my reason is : Linux is chaos, FreeBSD is order. FreeBSD is so very well engineered, everything feels just right and logical. It's not the case with the fragmented world of Linux distributions. Unfortunately FreeBSD doesn't have the laptop driver coverage Linux has so I'm using Void Linux on my laptops because it is the most BSDish Linux.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

* People complain about system preferences but I use spotlight to find settings when I need them* This is exactly how I do it, and I also do it this way in Ubuntu. And in both OSes, I hide docks/apps.

Ubuntu has spotlight?

I'm specifically speaking of Ubuntu's version of Gnome, I guess. Press the Super key and a search box appears, a la MacOS's Spotlight. This is how I open apps. There are likely nuances about what is searchable, but in practice it feels the same to me.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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post #283

I moved from 15+ years of Mac to FreeBSD about 2 years ago for similar reasons. It's too locked-down, too opinionated, too iOS for me now. Very happy with FreeBSD + KDE which gives me configuration choices again.

Could you share with us why you chose FreeBSD over Linux?

I don't really want to get too deep into it because this same discussion comes up every time there's an article about FreeBSD :)

But my personal reasons are:

- Less commercial influence on the OS and "distro" development process (think of things like Canonical pushing snap and other not-invented-here behaviour)

- A stable (release-based) base OS with rolling packages. The perfect combination which for some reason is not as common in the Linux world. There it's usually all-rolling or all-release.

- The ports collection - Recompile any repository package with any parameters you like

- Excellent documentation because the world is not as fragmented as on GNU/Linux

- Not as much drive to constantly change things as on GNU/Linux (which is partly driven by point #1 of course)

- ZFS on root <3 And jails and bhyve

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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post #346

I was at the talk, and it's strange this what people take from it. You should watch the whole thing and see what he built over years. I was a bit disappointed that most of the questions ignored his talk about a very cool jukebox he built and focused on OS drama. He built a jukebox with all hit songs he could find in it 1900-2000 and for prerecorded music, got a player piano and sheet music and midi and integrated the…

Thanks for this! If anyone can suggest a good title for the talk as a whole, we'll change it above. (By 'good' I mean accurate, neutral, and representative of the talk as a whole.) ((The submitted URL was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaandEt_pKw&t=3473s , but our software swapped in the canonical URL, which has no timestamp.)) Edit: I've put a placeholder up there for the time being until we get a better suggestio…

I listened to the question and answer at the timestamped link, and I wonder if he was giving a completely bogus answer to see if anyone was paying attention. Consider:

> I have for most of my life, because I was sort of born into it, run Apple.

Assuming that's actually still Ken Thompson talking, that makes absolutely no sense. He's several years older than Woz, never mind Apple itself. He was already well into developing Unix on DEC minicomputers when the Apple I came out in 1976. Then, all through the 80s and 90s, I'm sure he used whatever non-Apple computers they used at Bell Labs. I think I read somewhere that by the 90s they were using x86 PCs. Anyway, you get the idea. So I wonder if he was totally messing with us in that answer.

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