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Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by dontlaugh » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 9:31 AM UTC

_kbh_ wrote: post #350

dontlaugh wrote: post #345

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Asking for NATO nukes and killing ethnic Russians is breaching the same agreement later breached by invasion. Why would anyone trust the Ukrainian state either? And yet states that don’t trust each either enough to be at war still manage to negotiate peace, historically. The US preventing negotiation just prolongs this war that benefits the US.

> killing ethnic Russians is breaching the same agreement later breached by invasion. This provision is not in the Budapest memorandum so that’s just plainly false. > Asking for NATO nukes I’ve not seen any evidence that Ukraine asked for NATO nukes could you provide some?. > And yet states that don’t trust each either enough to be at war still manage to negotiate peace, historically. Historically Russia creates conf…

Somehow you end up arguing for more Ukrainians and Russians to die.

Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by apercu » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 12:10 PM UTC

kerkeslager wrote: post #348

apercu wrote: post #320

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Agreed. I find both of these things true: People in government positions in the US and UK abused their power. Julian Assange is not a good, or honest person.

> Julian Assange is not a good, or honest person. Good is subjective. Honest, on the other hand is not, and if you're going to say he's not honest I'd like to see your evidence for that.

Intelligence analysis (at least those reported in US Senate investigations) show Russian-linked code and Russian language in the Wikileaks leak of the hacked DNC emails. Assange either lied (lies) about not receiving that content from Russian sources or is being disingenuous by sticking to a distinction that maybe there is a middle man in between the FSB/hackers and the individual(s) that uploaded the data/documents.

Completely ruins his credibility, no? That's not honest by any definition.

I am not a fan of US foreign policy, but also, have you noticed that, from the beginning (2011?), nearly every major Wikileaks release is US government or 5 eyes? Funny that.

Also, maybe look in to Assanges friend (and Russian antisemite) Israel Shamir. And look at Wikileaks activities (through Shamir) in Belarus.

Look, if Assange came out and said "I get a lot of my info from Russian intelligence sources and I want to further their agenda" he would be not necessarily a "good" person. But maybe an "honest" one.

Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by f6v » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 1:03 PM UTC

barrysteve wrote: post #308

f6v wrote: post #25

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I like how the audience laughs at the expense of a million ruined lives.

Can hardly believe the audience is laughing at dead Americans. Even Bushites are not that callous. They're laughing at his implied admission of guilt and the idea that Putin's unjustified wars are in George Bush's shadow.

> Can hardly believe the audience is laughing at dead Americans.

They’re not the victims who died by thousands.

Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by _kbh_ » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 9:21 AM UTC

dontlaugh wrote: post #351

_kbh_ wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> killing ethnic Russians is breaching the same agreement later breached by invasion. This provision is not in the Budapest memorandum so that’s just plainly false. > Asking for NATO nukes I’ve not seen any evidence that Ukraine asked for NATO nukes could you provide some?. > And yet states that don’t trust each either enough to be at war still manage to negotiate peace, historically. Historically Russia creates conf…

Somehow you end up arguing for more Ukrainians and Russians to die.

> Somehow you end up arguing for more Ukrainians and Russians to die.

Your lack of a response to any of my points makes me thing you have no answers.

Why did you spew blatantly false information and not even bother to try and back it up?.

For what its worth im all for less Ukrainians and Russians dying Unfortunately for now the Russian government is insistent that only happens by more Russians temporarily dying.

Re: Alternative facts: How the media failed Julian Assange

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Post by rejectfinite » Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 3:41 PM UTC

93po wrote: post #247

masfuerte wrote: post #8

There is an important missing detail. The Swedes agreed to interview Assange about the rape allegations in London but the British Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) put pressure on the Swedes not to. The CPS deleted the emails they sent to the Swedes and we only know of their existence because of a FOI request on the Swedish side. Why were the supposedly politically independent CPS so keen to get Assange extradited to S…

The entire "had sex with a broken condom" saga is ridiculous and built up to be an Assange smear campaign. Neither women went to the police to report a rape, they only wanted him to get tested for STDs, neither wanted charges pressed against Assange, and they both later retracted their stories. If Assange did what was alleged, then that's awful and horrible and abusive and those women are victims. However the entiret…

>and they both later retracted their stories

Did they? Just a few 2-3 years ago there was a documentary in Sweden and one of the women was interviewed extensivley.