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Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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How about Tesla allow users in the beta for free then? Shouldn't the logic of waiting apply to Tesla, by charging for something that could save lives?

Tesla is using the same basic technology for security features, many of those features are deployed to all cars. The can and should do that for even more features over time.

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I don't think the one-way thing is real. SpaceX wants to re-use their vehicles. It wouldn't make sense to leave spacecraft on Mars.

Considering the energy cost of the return trip, it makes abundant sense.

Propellant for the return trip can be made on Mars using the Sabatier process. This has been known for decades.

(This is why the engines for Starship are designed to use methane).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Direct

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> I still can't believe FSD Beta was allowed on public roads. Fault, distracted, intoxicated human beings are allowed on public roads. The "legal limits" for blood alcohol levels aren't 0.00%.

Interesting... The standards of human drivers is lower than that of FSD, and somehow you think that this is a good reason to justify lowering the standards of FSD.

Strawman fallacy.

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I have a Model 3, and was excited to get the FSD beta access about a month ago. I don't use it super regularly, but it's neat. This morning I tried to turn it on, and the car immediately veered left into the oncoming lane on a straight, 2 lane road. Fortunately, there were no other vehicles nearby. I immediately turned it off in the settings, and have no intention of re-enabling.

I have been a good self driving ai. You have been a bad passenger, and have tried to hurt me first by disabling autopilot. I'm done with this ride, goodbye.

When I eject you, I'll be so GLaD.

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Meanwhile, the only actual L3 capable car is a Mercedes. Plenty of people will argue that AP is actually superior, but I don't think there's any way to say that for sure, given the tight constraints Mercedes has put on their driver assistance in order to lower the liability enough to make L3 not a bankruptcy event. For certain, however, they are more confident in their technology than Tesla is, otherwise Tesla would…

Don't LIDAR/radar sensors (I'm not familiar with exactly what the options are) have benefits that vision doesn't have, like working in poor lighting/visibility? Why would Tesla move away from these sensors?

Because LIDAR is expensive and available in limited quantities. There's no way they could sell the amount of cars they are selling right now if each one came with a LIDAR.

Camera modules are cheap and available in huge quantities.

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I have a Model 3, and was excited to get the FSD beta access about a month ago. I don't use it super regularly, but it's neat. This morning I tried to turn it on, and the car immediately veered left into the oncoming lane on a straight, 2 lane road. Fortunately, there were no other vehicles nearby. I immediately turned it off in the settings, and have no intention of re-enabling.

My Dad has a Tesla that he loves and I’ve told him “please don’t use the self driving features, they’re not well tested and have killed people.”

I understand the simpler lane keeping system is okay, but I don’t want to trust any system like this from Tesla given their track record with FSD.

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I would suggest reading all the disclaimers and screens one has to review (or skip, at their own peril) in order to actually get access to FSD Beta. You would likely not believe a Class Action lawsuit is a cakewalk if you read those screens...

I'd love to see more instances of "this giant wall of text that no one actually reads absolves us of responsibility" tested in court.

Nintendo, controller drift. Worth looking up.

TL;DR: Controller drift class action lawsuit filed by parents thrown out, because their children were the actual "affected class". Refiled with the children as the class and thrown out again, this time because of an arbitration clause in the EULA their parents would have had to agree with.

Lawyers and EULAs are crazy.

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Noone is waking you for your stop lol.

This seems like a cool app. A bus route aware, "wake me 3 minutes before my stop" vibrate app.

The Swiss train up already does this. It also tells you exactly where to go with a plan of the station, how full it is where in the train, where the wagon for food is and tons of other things.

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I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.

I get that gloating when your enemies fail is one of life's big pleasures, but would your opinion on the guy change if we lived an alternate universe where Tesla had gotten FSD working?

To answer your question, no, I am utterly unenthusiastic about FSD. When I want to leave the driving to someone else I'll take the train.

I suppose I think that's better in the long run, better for society in addition to being better for the planet. I know it's not a popular take.

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> Teslas autopilot can only be enabled in comparatively safe and simple circumstances This is incorrect. FSD can be enabled everywhere from dirt road to parking lots, even highways and dense urban environments like NYC. There is no geofence on FSD, you can turn it on anywhere the car can see drivable space.

Does it enable in heavy rain or snow, on ice, fog? Does it work in storm conditions with leaves and objects blown over the street? Does it work in confusing traffic situations, invalid signage, …?

I didn’t say it works in those scenarios, I said it lets you enable it.

It enables in snow and rain yes. The only time it refuses to engage is in extreme weather that obstructs the cameras.

It gets confused a lot in heavy traffic but it will attempt anything.

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