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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

yohannparis wrote: post #211
bmy78 wrote: post #100

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Teams is the result of Microsoft taking a look at Slack and saying, how can we make this feel more like Excel?

I don't see where is that a problem? People who will be using Teams are people using Office 365 daily. Having a cohesive ecosystem makes complete sense. From a UX too.

The problem is that Teams is used by companies who have IT departments that do absolutely insane things like DELETE THE CHAT HISTORY AFTER 24 HOURS because of some sort of perverse, contrived "security" issue. These are the morons that Microsoft is selling to, and giving advice to as on how to configure it. So you wind up with a system that's almost worse than not having anything at all. Our Sharepoint installation was so bad, Microsoft was hired to come in and "relaunch" it. As far as I can tell, nothing has changed. Teams isn't necessarily evil, but it's a "code smell" about the corporate IT culture if that's what the company uses.

I'm old enough to remember when Skype was really neat, and it's just another in a long, long line of grievances I'll hold against Microsoft till I die.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by wrs »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #303
gunshai wrote: post #188

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Can someone give me the TLDR on why they hate teams so much? I suppose I work in an organization with few true "technical" folks, and everyone is under Microsoft licenses so it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. I've used both slack and teams. What am I really missing out on here?

It really comes down to the details. If the little things don't get on your nerves and you just care about putting messages in a IRC-esque interface that everyone else can see then there's no difference. Here's a really high level tldr: Teams is annoying in dozens of small minor ways that are collectively very frustrating. For a more detailed take: Slack is far from perfect but Slack is generally clean, quick, simple…

The whole concept of a “Team” encourages silos within the company. You can’t just search for and join a channel to collaborate, you have to be invited to a team to even know the channel exists.

If your company is large enough that a flat, open channel namespace is overwhelming, then you might think this is a feature, but I was at Walmart with tens of thousands of people in Slack and I didn’t feel that way.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by mrtranscendence »

m348e912 wrote: post #86
flappyeagle wrote: post #52

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If I were forced to use teams I would quit. At least if you're laid off you get serverance

>>If I were forced to use teams I would quit. It's funny to hear this because if I were looking for a job one of the selling points for me would be if they used teams. I'm on it all day, I present and run video meetings on it. I use it on different devices. It's not perfect by any means, but I'm confident that it will do what I need it to do. My only guess is you're on a linux desktop and you don't use an enterprise…

I use Teams on a relatively modern Intel MacBook Pro. My chief complaint is that it murders my battery -- I barely get two hours when I'm on Teams video calls. But there are other issues.

For example, sometimes the window just disappears when it's in the background. When that happens I don't get any notifications, so unless I notice that Teams has bugged out I'll miss when someone tries to contact me. And recently, video has become weirdly bugged -- I see people twitch around like I'm watching a bad horror movie, and sometimes they flash red. No idea what that's about but I can't seem to fix it. It's not going to kill me but it's uncomfortable to watch.

More minor, but search is a mess, and notifications aren't great.

Other than that I guess it's OK.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by nimbius »

say what you will about the recession but since Microsoft picked it up, Github has taken an absolute shellacking. They couldnt figure out how to comply with US sanctions without alienating users, the ICE contract went over like a lead balloon, and the 2014 harassment case didnt help either but the most damning indictment is the uptime and performance.

https://www.githubstatus.com/history

just this year there have been 26 incidents. basically everything that could fail took a knee in just the first two months of this year.

Last year was more than one hundred service impacting issues. Redmond captured the devs, but in the end much like Ballmers chanting its become a pretty meaningless acquisition.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by Smaug123 »

tomtheelder wrote: post #348
savanaly wrote: post #166

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I'm quite confused because almost all conversation in my company's slack happens in threads. Maybe your impression of Slack was formed in a time when they didn't have threads?

Slacks threading model is super weak compared to other options. I haven’t used teams, but I went from Zulip to Slack a little while ago and it felt like a huge step backwards.

Zulip is in a league of its own, though - I'd say Slack is pretty similar to other non-Zulip options.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by hnarayanan »

nimbius wrote: post #354

say what you will about the recession but since Microsoft picked it up, Github has taken an absolute shellacking. They couldnt figure out how to comply with US sanctions without alienating users, the ICE contract went over like a lead balloon, and the 2014 harassment case didnt help either but the most damning indictment is the uptime and performance. https://www.githubstatus.com/history just this year there have bee…

Have you not seen the crazy increase in GitHub's offering? From the richer Projects systems to growing Actions and what not?

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by pydry »

fullshark wrote: post #45
mathverse wrote: post #30

I am absolutely certain this is to suppress wages and employee rights. It is a coordinated effort across the industry and should be immediately investigated.

Was the pandemic hiring spree coordinated also? Just copycat behavior the whole way through imo.

Why would you assume that when companies compete fiercely that they are coordinating? Of course they werent coordinating.

Whataboutism is a word that has been abused badly a lot in the last year but it seems like it fits here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by jahewson »

splatzone wrote: post #216
ushakov wrote: post #128

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They even had a full-scale replica of the Oval Office there https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/710956599477534720...

This is the kind of needless extravagance that makes people cynical about the tech industry

Wait until you hear about the Chrysler Building.
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