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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by g_delgado14 » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 4:47 PM UTC

Mizza wrote: post #256

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

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It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Most of humanity's best art, literature, music, and comedy is about people experiencing trauma. Being able to joke amidst suffering is the very thing that makes us human. It's also a critical part of empathy itself.

Dave Chappelle is a master of this. He tells jokes while also making commentary on taboo subjects. Through his jokes, he allows us to open a dialogue about something important that too-often is left untouched.

In this case; this AI is not really trying to convey anything meaningful. It's just regurgitating distasteful jokes that hurt people that are currently going through a tough time.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by paulmd » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 4:48 PM UTC

Semaphor wrote: post #35

alexb_ wrote: post #12

What is this going to accomplish? Is the robot going to learn from its mistakes? Or is this supposed to be against the programmers for "failing to put in safeguards" or something like that? It's kind of silly - it's not that the robot was bad but that if you keep it on 24/7 it will eventually say something bad. An infinite monkey typewriter will contain transphobic text.

Eh, it’s the same for IRL streams. Channels get suspended for what others do. There’s a food truck livestreaming, any kind of nudity or visible underwear results in the stream going offline, VOD deletion and going online again (or a "censored" overlay in case they see it coming), 2 girls flashing still got a warning, one drunk dude with his pants falling down resulted in a 24h ban. What are they supposed to learn fro…

> 2 girls flashing still got a warning, one drunk dude with his pants falling down resulted in a 24h ban.

15 years and people are still confused about this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmmAdbDF1xA

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by xwkd » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 4:48 PM UTC

klyrs wrote: post #163

xwkd wrote: post #97

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Comedy cannot be offensive to trans people on Twitch, specifically! Here's the part where I rhetorically taunt with my weaponization of the virtue of free enterprise: "You have a right to free speech, but I have a right to decide what I allow on my platform!" Yeah, I don't entirely believe that either. I see the weasel here and so do you. So I have a right to disregard the value of free speech. But is that really wha…

Platforms aren't there for your free speech, nor should they be. They're there for their own free speech, and freedom of association. Every platform bans content that is perfectly legal: spam, porn, gore, etc. Platforms like gab and parler ban "woke" content. Hell, even libraries pick and choose which books to buy, which books to put in the shelves, which books to put on display. Yes, this is really what we want, if…

I agree with you completely. This is the way that it should be. I will also say, then, that I feel like we’re all a bunch of huge pussies. Sounding more like my dad every day. Great.

Curation and censorship are strange cousins, don’t you think?

It seems like it’s only censorship if it’s done with big furnaces and a gun barrel by a man with tiny glasses and creased pants. Governments censor. Corporations curate. Right?

I’m not sure if I even want to dignify the following state of affairs by calling it an open secret, but the US is governed by corporations. I won’t insult you by expounding on this line of reasoning. You see what I’m getting at.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by coffeebeqn » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 4:48 PM UTC

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Appeal to emotion

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by crote » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 4:49 PM UTC

temp_account_32 wrote: post #299

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

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It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair? Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly. Sou…

The medical community didn't delegate it to society.

Transitioning is an effective and proven treatment, which has a far higher rate of success than basically any other psychiatry-related treatment. The medical part is pretty much solved, and those physical differences can be reconciled quite well.

But as it turns out, the hate from society still remains, and it still has an effect. Turns out being happy is a bit tricky when it is literally a coin flip whether the person you are talking to believes you should be murdered merely for existing.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by Bluecobra » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 4:49 PM UTC

gigaflop wrote: post #279

nigamanth wrote: post #155

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The AI should make an episode regarding the world seeing this AI getting banned on twitch. When I read the heading on HN I started laughing out loud in a public place.

I'm more curious what the AI would do if asked to make an apology video.

Bonus points if it’s a parody of the BP spill guy from South Park. (“We’re sorry…”)

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by nomel » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 4:49 PM UTC

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #320

thatswrong0 wrote: post #290

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The problem I'm seeing is that with some regularity, people are being designated as "intolerant" for simply asking questions, deviating slightly from the most up-to-date acceptable opinion, or just not keeping up with what is the correct opinion to have now. Applying nuance and assuming that others _might_ have good intentions isn't really in vogue.

JAQing off and asking questions to learn and understand are two truly different things. Misrepresenting positions and arguments to a rabid “fanbase” is not asking questions. It’s time the charades stop and the fascists drop the pretences, oh wait their supreme leader has PUBLICLY said he will ensure that trans people will be outlawed. No amount of science and evidence is ever enough for these people either. Transsexu…

The problem is, there’s no way for you to know which type of person it is until you’ve talked with them for a bit. From what I’ve seen, people immediately condemn anyone not in lockstep, and never find out, leaving a very confused, interested person, who only experiences irrational, negative, interactions.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by petodo » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 4:50 PM UTC

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

> People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people who this joke was about continue to face constant ridicule, teasing, bullying, discrimination, and assault.

I don't see how banning joking about them will help them, all this will achieve is to radicalize moderates.

> Would it have been OK to make a joke about 9/11 victims while they were still digging people out of the wreckage? What if that joke was light-hearted, or the comedian was just making fun of people who tell those jokes?

Sure, why not, nobody force you to listen/watch it. If it has audience then it's OK. Society nowadays wanna ban everything because of crybabies who can't handle jokes. But yeah, to play it safe let's not even acknowledge existence of these people, so they can't complain and they can be happy.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by Chabsff » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 4:50 PM UTC

johtso wrote: post #265

Chabsff wrote: post #153

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You have to put it in context. That stream is/was something very particular. The AI is terrible at making jokes, so the stream is funny to watch because it's a non-stop torrent of repeated failed attempts at telling jokes. "Regular" jokes are delivered in the exact same way, with the exact same result. What you are reading as intentional irony and/or sarcasm really is just you projecting your expectations. There is n…

But the AI has no intention.. unless you call the prompt fed to it its intention. You're anthropomorphising it. The way its output is received is all that matters.

It works the other way around too: We read this is a self-deprecating joke because we are anthropomorphising the author.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by roughly » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 4:51 PM UTC

temp_account_32 wrote: post #299

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair? Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly. Sou…

Research on youth suicide rates shows an extremely high correlation with the family and social environment, in that family support and at least some welcoming spaces dramatically lower suicide rates among trans youth.

The Trevor Project collects research on these lines: https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-abo...