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Bank of America has lost Zelle transfers for many customers

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Re: Bank of America has lost Zelle transfers for many customers

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Wire transfers are also reversible. It may not be easy or cheap to do so, but it is possible (the Citigroup $500mm mispayment is a great example: the error was done August 2020, and Citigroup are still working to undo it, at an expense to them. I'm certain it'll take them a few more months, and God only knows how many more billable hours at the very least).

Is it still reversible when the money is sent to Turkey or Kazakhstan and tracing and investigating the ultimate destination of where it went (likely to a bunch of bank accounts set up by nominees or stolen identities and ultimately to Binance or the local equivalent) would require almost as much money as the loss?

Yes, if the funds are not taken away from the destination account and if the Turkish/Kazakh bank is cooperative, but not when funds are cleared out of Kazakh/Turkish banks.

Re: Bank of America has lost Zelle transfers for many customers

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post #349

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Is it still reversible when the money is sent to Turkey or Kazakhstan and tracing and investigating the ultimate destination of where it went (likely to a bunch of bank accounts set up by nominees or stolen identities and ultimately to Binance or the local equivalent) would require almost as much money as the loss?

Yes, if the funds are not taken away from the destination account and if the Turkish/Kazakh bank is cooperative, but not when funds are cleared out of Kazakh/Turkish banks.

They may be cooperative but they may also take 3 months to respond especially if it is a request from another country. At which point you're SOL.

Re: Bank of America has lost Zelle transfers for many customers

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Does Meta Pay have a checking account as part of each account that you can withdraw from directly via an ATM? Or does Meta Pay need to transfer the money into a 3rd party checking account that you can then withdraw from? That second step may not be instantaneous, depending on which bank the account is at.

there's no account. its just your checking account. and their checking account. facebook fronts the money, deposits it as a non pending transaction. then it takes your money. ive done it with multiple people at multiple banks. its never been more than minutes.

Good to know, that is pretty useful for immediate transfers. I've done transfers between accounts at the same bank before, using their own website, and it still takes like 24 hours to leave 'pending' state.

Re: Bank of America has lost Zelle transfers for many customers

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Just as a aside : the US is the only country I’ve been where the relationship with credit card is so … relaxed. My first week here, my conclusion was that people must be either really honest, and that you get refunded routinely.

Refunded routinely is the answer btw

I'd say the vast majority is incredibly honest.

Re: Bank of America has lost Zelle transfers for many customers

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US credit card protections are better than Europe's. Debit cards are somewhat less protected than credit though.

Yes I thought so. This sounded really weird. You're right about the debit cards. But "premium" accounts offered by banks often have insurance for these too (you get that for free if you make around 2x average wage).

Insurance for what? You don't get insurance for someone writing a check against your account or making a debit using your pin. Similarly, you don't get insurance for a Zelle transfer from your mobile because you gave it to someone else.

Re: Bank of America has lost Zelle transfers for many customers

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I guess I'll be the lone voice in the wilderness. We've been perfectly happy with Zelle. We use it a couple times a month to pay service providers, send money to family. Never had any issues with it, don't need an "app" for it, works with our normal bank stuff. Similarly, at the same time, we got a check recently from a settlement. We plonked it into our account, and it bounced. It was a large settlement (i.e. lots o…

You are happy because you have not seen how much better things can be. Zelle is very poorly designed. It is possible to send money to numbers which do not exist. Even if the number does exist, you have no way of knowing whether the person you are sending to is correct or not, since you enter their name information yourself, instead of zelle fetching this and asking you to confirm it.

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Bitcoin has a transaction throughput of 1 KB/s (less than a 28.8 modem) for the entire world. https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/size-btc.html#1y

It's curious to me that this is downvoted, I am practically a crypto evangelist and have been since the beginning but even I acknowledge that the BTC network's capacity is extremely, extremely low. It's not suitable as a world-wide transaction engine, not even for relatively infrequent transaction types like store of value accounts that don't move around. There have been some half-hearted attempts to fix this (lightn…

In what way does Lightning not solve the problem?

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> few grams of gold or silver I remember, a few years ago, Cupertino being targeted for burglaries because the Indian and Taiwanese immigrant populations had a penchant for storing wealth in gold and silver and cash under the mattress, respectively. The victims’ recovery rates and timelines were far poorer than these BofA customers’ will be.

That happens a lot in many segments of the population. When my uncle was detective, there were similar incidents among the orthodox Jewish community, as the cultural preference from the diamond trade was instant settlement. It’s also easier to move gold across borders. Many folks were hesitant to call the police which made it worse. Prepper people get targeted alot as well. One dude in my hometown was a victim of a h…

He could have prepared better.

Re: Bank of America has lost Zelle transfers for many customers

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Just as a aside : the US is the only country I’ve been where the relationship with credit card is so … relaxed. My first week here, my conclusion was that people must be either really honest, and that you get refunded routinely.

Refunded routinely is the answer btw

I've been living here 7 years now, I still have to get my credit card abused.

What I had in mind is situation where the bar tender has 20+ credit card behind the counters.

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